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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: All
Good Morning, everyone!


11,221 posted on 06/28/2002 4:59:22 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Good morning Overtaxed,

I'm going to listen to your file as soon as I'm sure everyone is no longer asleep...

This morning's beautiful picture looks like somewhere around Topsail Island, for sure somewhere along a Carolina beach.

Yesterday's picture had a lone scraggly tree in it, wonder if it was the same tree, but from a different angle as a few days before.

11,222 posted on 06/28/2002 5:25:31 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Good Morning!

The beach picture was taken at Nag's Head. I don't know if those scraggly trees are one and the same or not. I got the pics from different sites "somewhere in the Smoky Mountains".

11,223 posted on 06/28/2002 5:36:56 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
I do not want to keep track of how my soup votes, how my toilet paper votes, or how my software votes.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for that voice of reason. I will admit that I have written some companies on occasion regarding their positions - most notably Levi Strauss when they pulled their funding for the Boy Scouts. But darn it, Dockers and 501s are the best bet for covering my non-Southwest-Airline-standard backside.

A free market economy works when people buy the best product at the best price. And, I refuse to boycott Disney or anyone in Hollywood just because of politics. Well, okay there's Alec Baldwin, but he has no talent...

11,224 posted on 06/28/2002 6:09:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Of course, if I, say, only read books by conservatives, I'd have, oh, twenty books on my shelves...

Well, when I finish mine, you can have twenty-three (at least we think it's a trilogy)...

11,225 posted on 06/28/2002 6:10:43 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Morning - trilogy, huh? Strange how those have a way of turning out to have five or seven books.

Off to work, see you all later!

11,226 posted on 06/28/2002 6:13:27 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
The beach picture was taken at Nag's Head.

And that's where the Stormhands family will be August 17-24. I'm ready now...

11,227 posted on 06/28/2002 6:13:58 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Morning - trilogy, huh? Strange how those have a way of turning out to have five or seven books.

Well, that's what the outline says, but the story in my head may take a lot longer. Not much time to work on it in the summer. But I hope to have the first installment finished by December.

11,228 posted on 06/28/2002 6:15:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB; Sam Cree; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; ksen; ...
Morning All!

Short nite. Picked up Corin, Jr. from choir tour after midnite. Then had to listen to him "wind down." He came back much older than when he left a week ago...
11,229 posted on 06/28/2002 6:17:27 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Ladysmith
Isn't it good, Hair? She's much better than I.

Did it come through ok? I haven't listened to it from the mustard_seeds site yet because everyone was and is still asleep.

Ladysmith was thinking about taking up the whistle...how's that going?

Here's that link again, for those just getting up.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mustard_seeds/files/
11,230 posted on 06/28/2002 6:19:01 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
He came back much older than when he left a week ago...

I noticed the same thing by the end of vacation bible school with my 3 year old. He was talking about his friends and what they did and I noticed suddenly...he's not a baby anymore.

11,231 posted on 06/28/2002 6:25:47 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; JenB; Overtaxed; Sam Cree
ugh, good morning, all... nothing like oversleeping an hour to start the day. At least it's Friday, and tomorrow I can legit... legitima... oh heck, tomorrow I'm allowed to sleep in.

Hope everyone has a good day (yawn).

11,232 posted on 06/28/2002 6:27:02 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
Pretty!
11,233 posted on 06/28/2002 6:28:05 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
You know, all those glass-clinkers lined up in a row is strangely hypnotic.
11,234 posted on 06/28/2002 6:28:40 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good morning! I got to sleep in this morning and actually got up before the boys! They are still sleeping! I'm drinking my coffee and checking out the Hole in peace.

I am also debating on whether or not I ever want to see another Krispy Kreme doughnut again...

I do! I do! BRB
11,235 posted on 06/28/2002 6:29:12 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I am also debating on whether or not I ever want to see another Krispy Kreme doughnut again

uhmmm, good morning. I think my late nights & early mornings earlier in the week finally caught up with me today. Maybe a Krispy Kreme would get me revved up... I hope my recruiter brings a box when he brings my paycheck this morning...

11,236 posted on 06/28/2002 6:34:23 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Pretty!

Thanks! That was played on my C whistle that I've had for a couple of weeks. I do better on the D whistle (the holes are smaller and placed closer together on the D.)

11,237 posted on 06/28/2002 6:38:48 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
Update:

Aragorn has joined a yacht club, and is sailing his new ships up the river.

Sam & Frodo are being accosted by a Hildabeast. Sam is warding her off by spouting something in elvish while holding up a copy of The Declaration of Independence. I think a rough translation of what Sam is shouting is, "We pledge allegiance to the flag......."

That did it! She can't get away fast enough. I am afraid that our duo is not unscathed, Frodo........is dead.

11,238 posted on 06/28/2002 6:41:04 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
How did it turn out on my site? Works ok?

11,239 posted on 06/28/2002 6:42:29 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom

11,240 posted on 06/28/2002 6:42:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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