Are these the same Israeli's that couldn't even foresee a Hamas invasion on October 7th of 2023?
“”Are these the same Israeli’s that couldn’t even foresee a Hamas invasion on October 7th of 2023?””
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Then again, no intel agency is perfect all the time. Ours certainly has been anything but perfect over the decades, so why would anyone expect Israel’s to be perfect all the time? Their intel has always been better than ours, however... most of the time. Also, two high ups in the Israeli intel resigned over those failures. There are incompetents and ‘deliberately incompetents’ still working behind the scenes in both nations, however. That you can be sure of.
https://tjpnews.com/head-of-critical-idf-intel-unit-resigns-over-oct-7-failure/
Well yes it is, but I don't think anyone in the Israeli government ever regarded Hamas as the sort of existential threat that Iran is to them. You do know that Hamas and Hezbollah had been getting their money from Iran, don't you?
Israel knew absolutely that Iran would wipe them off the map if it could, and Iran was in the process of getting that capability, so they spent great effort and cost getting eyes and ears everywhere in Iran they needed them.
I'm sure they tried to do that with Hamas too, but those paranoid wackjobs are likely far harder to infiltrate than was Iran.
There are two reasonable theories about what happened October 7.
1. Israel, having been lulled into a false sense of security just never expected such an attack, and they let their guard down. (Shows you these crazy bastards *WILL* attack first, even knowing the retaliation would wipe them out.)
2. Israeli intelligence knew it was coming and let it happen for the purpose of creating the political will back home to deal with the Hamas problem once and for all.
My father believed Franklin Delano Roosevelt did the same thing with Pearl Harbor, but didn't realize the destruction would be so bad. The same may have been true of Israeli Intelligence.
I tend to lean towards the second theory, because Israeli intelligence is pretty hard core and will do very ugly unpleasant things if they see them as necessary for the benefit of Israel.
But the first theory could be true, but it's hard to believe that they could have been caught so unawares because they are known to have very good spy networks, and it's difficult to believe everyone in their network had not heard enough about the attack to warn them.
So you are trying to present the October attack as evidence of Israel's incompetence, and you want to apply this idea to their intelligence gathering apparatus in Iran.
But the two things are not the same, both in difficulty of penetrating the enemy network, and in the motivation that would make them act as they did in both cases.