Posted on 12/22/2025 5:08:17 AM PST by MtnClimber
As leaders equivocate and extremists unite left and right, open season on Jews spreads across the West—unchecked, unnamed, and certain to grow deadlier.
Jews celebrating Hanukkah were just slaughtered by Muslim gunmen on an Australian beach, in an imitation of the October 7 massacres. At Brown University, two students were killed and nine wounded by an allegedly Muslim shooter.
An inert Europe is canceling Christmas celebrations out of fear of threats of violence from Muslim minorities. In the West, when an Islamist shoots a Jew, politicians often offer two bizarre remedies: gun control or a task force to tackle Islamophobia.
Yet, our political class rarely offers data on the overwhelming preponderance of targeting Jews rather than Muslims, much less the vast disparity in Jewish-on-Muslim versus Muslim-on-Jewish violence.
To catalog all the recent violence against Jews in the Western world would fill a book.
We know the causes. Anemic Western leaders—politicians, college presidents, media grandees, and celebrities—fear Muslim terrorism, growing Muslim voters, and their own growing anti-Semitic campus constituencies.
So, they never call out anti-Semitic violence other than with nauseating nothings like, “Such violence has no place here.” Or “We condemn such violence in the utmost terms.” Or “This is not who we are.”
The prime minister of Australia—a country that produced some of the most heroic soldiers of World War I and II and still is a bulwark of the West in the Pacific—goes through a series of linguistic contortions daily to avoid identifying the threat to Jews and how to stop it. He talks as if guns were animate and murdered Jews without the aid of radical Islamic killers.
So nothing much follows in the West, and Jews are becoming the hunted. The attacks will increase because there is no foreseeable force to combat them.
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“I believe VDH has his facts wrong in this case.”
He didn’t state it as a fact.
“It is important that no religion, Christians included, be praised or condemned, in total, as there is evil hiding in the dark corners of them all.”
There is merit in your words. They contain more than a grain of truth. No group is perfect. However, I must disagree with your conclusion that no religion should be condemned. Islam should be condemned. Not all Muslims, but Islam.
There are many good Muslims. Most good Muslims accept the behavior of Muslim murderers. The problem is the religion itself. In Islam, Mohammed was the perfect man. He beheaded 350 Jews. Today, beheading infidels is ok. Mohammed had many wives, some very young. Today having many wives and pedophilia is ok. Mohammed expanded Islam through military conquest. Today, expanding Islam through conquest is a duty.
Reagan loved the Russian people but hated communism to such an extent that he called the Soviet Union the “evil empire.” He set about to defeat the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union fell. The current consensus seems to be that these are unrelated events. However, I think it was the result of clarity of thought and action. We pushed; they fell.
Islam is worse than communism. Right now, Muslims are doing the pushing.
Thanks for your insights, most of which I agree with, but I don't think these statements completely add up. Take for example the Mormons, who claim to be a form of Christianity. Just because I don't spend every waking moment condemning some of them for their immoral behavior, such as having multiple wives you referenced in regard to Islam, doesn't mean I accept that behavior. I think the same is true of the many "good" muslims. Simply being silent does not mean they condone the evil behavior of some who are labeled Muslims.
As hard as it may be to admit, Islam does have many tenets that teach peace and actual love, and many muslims adhere to those principles, alone, in their faith. That doesn't mean that Islam doesn't teach immoral and ungodly behavior as well. But so does the Talmud, does it not? Are all Jews therefore to be condemned as well? Of course not. Some say only 30% of Jews even follow the Talmud, for starters. There are so many various sects of all these religions that you simply cannot lump them all together under one singular roof.
I am a committed Christian myself, and believe Christianity to be the rightful and true religion of our most Holy Father, and by the words of the Bible believe it should be our goal to convert others to Christianity. In order for us to do that, there must inherently be good people in other religions. I believe those other religions are inferior, if not possibly evil in their dereliction from Christianity (your point), but all humans must be judged individually, and not collectively.
I think we mostly agree - not all members of other religions are evil. Where we slightly disagree is that despite that, you still feel other religions can be completely condemned, whereas I say you necessarily can't do that as not every lesson in that religion is evil, and not everyone who is labeled part of that religion is worthy of condemnation. Some are simply naive, misguided, or lost. Our job is to love them, have mercy on them, and ultimately save them, not condemn them to hell on our own.
“That doesn’t mean that Islam doesn’t teach immoral and ungodly behavior as well. But so does the Talmud, does it not?”
I’m not aware that the Talmud teaches immoral and ungodly behavior.
By their fruit, shall you know them. I put Grok to work. “How many Muslim, Jewish, and Mormon major terrorist acts (in excess of 100 deaths) took place in the 20th and 21st century?” Answer: 48, 1, 0 respectively.
All the Muslim majority countries in the Middle East were conquered. Elsewhere it was mostly through conversion. Muslims are taking over Europe now. Conquest or conversion? I wonder what Grok will say when it’s over.
That's funny. I have a lot of Miami Jewish friends (and family), and they are all ultra MAGA.
Interesting numbers, but murders by various leaders under the guise of some religion aren’t always classified as terrorism. Putin is always trying to anoint himself as some sort of principled Christian leader, does that mean his invasion of Ukraine is necessarily just? How many tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands are dead, as a result? Are those deaths on the hands of honest God fearing Christians? I would think not. What about all the deaths of innocents in Gaza, many being children, are all those deaths justifiable as self defense of Jews? Not in my mind. Obviously, many would disagree, as this exact debate is fracturing the Republican Party, right now.
But I believe that Jesus taught us that every life is valuable, and should be respected just as we respect ourselves. If you have a problem with a leader, or a sect such as ISIS, who is causing unjust death, and misery, then your main issue is with that leader, or sect, not with every person who is affiliated with the overall religion in some way. Focus on who is who, and not condemnation of all, if you want to see positive change.
Maybe they say so, to please you. They say the same things at exit poles too.
The man said it himself, to reporters in Australia.
And you’re taking the murderer’s word for it? Good as gold I guess huh. So why did he say he was killing the innocent people who had gathered?
“If you have a problem with a leader, or a sect such as ISIS, who is causing unjust death, and misery, then your main issue is with that leader, or sect,”
ISIS and
Al-Qaeda
Taliban
Boko Haram
Al-Shabaab
Hamas
Hezbollah
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)
Jama’at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin (JNIM)
Abu Nidal Organization
Harakat ul-Mujahidin
As mushrooms from manure, terrorist groups from Islam.
Good list of horrible Muslim fronts, worthy of condemnation. Ask Grok to add them all up for you, and tell us how many people are in them, in total. I’ll give a guess, of actual members, of 10-20 million total, with the Taliban probably being the most of them as a percentage.
Sounds like a lot, doesn’t it? Until you realize, there are over 1 billion with ‘B’ Muslims out there. Then, it’s only like 1-2 percent. Not much.
So the question becomes, if all of Islam is guilty for the crimes of 1-2% (again waiting on your Grok numbers), what are we to do with them? The Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, I guess we are no longer allies, but at war with them now? Turkey, who’s part of NATO? The King of Jordan is now evil too?
Who’s going to tell them, Trump? You sure?
You see, it is completely impractical to even fantasize about a war with all of Islam, over the misdeeds of a few. We are unfortunately forced to coexist, with them, and the Jews, and the Hindu’s, whether all of us like it, or not. So, the smart thing is to look at the good in them, and not focus on the bad. Yes, there can be good found, if you look. Praise that, describe how it borders on the morals of Christianity, and hope they are moved to convert. If not convert, at least police their own religion better. I think we are making progress on that front. But condemning them, each and every one for the sins of others is not only unfair, it is unwise.
“””We are unfortunately forced to coexist, with them,”””
We were not forced to coexist with the Muslims.
No, we invited them to the USA.
On 9/11 there were 19 muslims who killed over 3,000 people in the USA.
So what does our government do in response?
They allow millions of Muslims to come legally and illegally into the USA in the past 24 years.
Yes, we have been. We tried just fighting some of them, and we ultimately had to turn back. The Abraham Accords are the best hope for the future. Partner with the best of the Muslim world, if and where you can. Fight them, where you have to, but not everywhere, as Americans as a whole don't have the stomach for what it would actually take to win, and that's probably for the best, in the end. Freedom is a great thing, but it's hard to form a consensus a lot of times, especially on war.
They allow millions of Muslims to come legally and illegally into the USA in the past 24 years.
America has literally needed some immigrants, to sustain our workforce during a dwindling native population. The problem is, we didn't limit immigration to the best people available, and often actually took the worst available. Europe has done even worse than we have, when facing similar circumstances. Our growth in population did not match our growth in wealth, unfortunately, and getting rid of the bad ones is going to take a lot more than a campaign slogan, we're finding out. The only way will be through e-verify, but big business doesn't want that, so we're stuck with ICE fighting gangs in the ghettos, which is a very slow and dangerous process.
I never said that all Muslims were bad or that all Islamic religious passages were bad.
“I’ll give a guess, of actual members, of 10-20 million ... Sounds like a lot, doesn’t it? Until you realize, there are over 1 billion with ‘B’ Muslims out there. Then, it’s only like 1-2 percent. Not much.”
Compare the percentage to the Christian percentage. Or the Jewish percentage. I think you will find it is much more.
I remember mentioning that Mao had murdered 75 to 100 million. The response was “Oh, it’s not so much on a percentage basis.”
I won’t rule out percentages, but I won’t be ruled by them either. One can’t blithely murder one or a million and say “small percentage.”
“if all of Islam is guilty.” Not all Islamic passages are at fault. Nor are all Muslims guilty. However, the problem lies with Islam. Mohammed was a poor choice of moral exemplar.
Some have suggested that Islam needs its reformation. One notable expert said that Islam reformed is Islam destroyed. I don’t know who is right.
As a practical matter, stop importing Muslims to the west. Make sure you are not indirectly subsidizing terror. That is harder than it sounds. Deport clerics that radicalize. Stop pretending that all religions are basically the same, equally peaceful. There are many practical acts that are far short of war. Surrender, our current path, is not the answer.
As I've repeatedly said, this is my main point, and on it we appear to agree. Where we appear to disagree, is on your desire to still label the entire muslim faith as evil, which by extension labels all muslims as guilty of the same evil, in contrast to what you just said above. It's no different than if someone wants to label all Christians as evil, based on the blatant and unapologetic sins of some Mormons, or based on the Catholic Priests who sexually abused minors, for example. Blame those who are guilty, but not every single Christian, based solely on mere association, that is often actually very distant.
As a practical matter, stop importing Muslims to the west. Make sure you are not indirectly subsidizing terror. That is harder than it sounds. Deport clerics that radicalize. Stop pretending that all religions are basically the same, equally peaceful. There are many practical acts that are far short of war.
I mostly agree with this, and said on this thread before our exchange that even though the entire Islamic religion shouldn't be condemned in every circumstance for the actions of a few, that it still may make good sense for the government to penalize that religion in response, in certain situations, if the risk to Americans warrant it. For example, we should without question BAN muslims originating from Iran. That does not however, mean that every single muslim originating from Saudi Arabia or Jordan should be denied access to America. Those countries are our allies, not enemies. At least at this point, and it's in our interest to keep it that way.
“Blame those who are guilty”
I have already blamed Mohammed.
Touche! Your dislike of muslims is actually quite tame compared to how I felt after 9/11. I’m grateful those posts (from everyone) are now wisely being hidden from the FR search engine, as many of us have grown in depth and understanding of the complexities since that time. Many here at FR helped educate me along the way, the most important lesson being that hate is a destructive force, no matter what you feel is deserving of it, it’s best to keep that locked away and rationally look at the big picture, including knowing the most you can about all sides to any issue. Things are never as black and white as they seem, the only thing I truly have faith in is that the love of Jesus Christ is eternal, and belief He was brought here for the salvation of all men. God Bless.
God Bless. I hope you have a Merry Christmas.
Yes Sir! You too!
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