Aubrey M. Temples: SEEING HITLER ESCAPE GERMANY, APRIL 30, 1945

YouTube ^ | Apr 11, 2018 | Aubrey M. Temples

[Dr. Franklin]

On April 30, 1945, I left the barracks early to have breakfast with the Mosers. I was fortunate enough to be the only prisoner there that got to eat with the family, but on the way, there was three black cars came back with guards on 'em, and of course my heart was beating pretty fast. I was concerned that they was sitting there with guns and I was unprotected, but they paid no attention to me. First car goes by and just a driver and the guards on top. Second car just about even with me, and the one in front stopped and it stopped, and there sit Adolf Hitler.

He wasn't more than five or six feet from me. He was in the car. ... and there were three small planes had landed in a pasture some 200 yards away and and the three cars go down near them. I see three people go over, and get in the planes they had new ladders to help him get up... the planes took off one after another and I didn't see them any more.

...at the Mosers there was a lot of excitement, and Miss Moser told me the Fuhrer spent the night with Mr. Pullen, and Mr. Pullen was a wealthy man in town and had known Adolf Hitler before that in their earlier life sometime. So it was a quite a day for the people in New Store, and Miss Moser was protective of me, and she didn't want me outside. She was afraid that I might get shot or something. So, I asked for a piece of paper, and and I wrote a note to the military authorities that Hitler's spent a night with Mr. Pullen, and they'd left in small planes.

[Dr. Franklin]

You didn't post the complete picture at #99. What or who is the original source for the photo? There should be provenance for it.

The photo is former SS trooper Phillip Citroen. According to the CIA report from "Cimelody-3":
“Cimelody-3 was contacted on 29 September 1955 by a trusted friend who served under his command in Europe and who is presently residing in Maracaibo...Cimelody-3 friend stated that during the latter part of September 1955, Phillip Citroen, former German SS trooper, stated to him confidentially that Adolph Hitler is still alive.”
“Citroen claimed to have met this individual at a place called 'Residencies Coloniales' which is, according to the source, overly populated with former German Nazis.
“According to Citroen, the Germans residing in Tunja follow this alleged Adolf Hitler with an idolatry of the Nazi past, addressing him as Elder Fuhrer and affording him the Nazi Salute and storm-trooper adulation.”

[Dr. Franklin]

FWIW, there is a guy on YouTube named Mark Felton that has some fascinating videos on Hitler and his other Nazi pals. Truly fascinating.

I don't have any great interest in the Nazis. They were truly evil. Mark Felton does have a good video on how much in the archives about WWII is still classified as state secrets in the U.S. and U.K., State Secrets - Still Classified WWII Subjects
If the Nazis really did surrender unconditionally, why are the peace negotiations still secret?
Why protect Himmler's privacy if he committed suicide?

[Dr. Franklin]

You're the one with the expertise in analyzing 80 year old, grainy black and white photos.

So you find the photos convincing that a man blew his head off while sitting on that couch?

[Dr. Franklin]

“schüttelmayer” seems to mean “agitator”

He was that. He agitated many Germans to move to South America and help develop it.

[mass55th]

"So you find the photos convincing that a man blew his head off while sitting on that couch?"

What I find convincing is that with all the alleged sightings of Hitler around the world after he was supposed to be dead, no one has any verified proof that any of those sightings were actually him.

[Coronal]

What proof is there that those photos were taken after the war, in Argentina or anywhere else?

And FYI that color photo is an old photo of him taken at the Berghof which was subsequently aged to show what he MIGHT look like as an older man.

[Coronal]

That show was a complete fraud. They tried to pass off an old picture of Moe Howard as an alleged postwar photo of Hitler in Argentina.

https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/history-channel-thinks-moe-howard-might-be-hitler-plus-micah-hankss-confusing-views-on-speculative-fiction

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have one question: If thousands of lower-ranking Nazis successfully planed and executed escapes to South America, wouldn’t the top Nazi have had even better escape plans?

[Coronal]

Those who escaped were able to do so because they were small fish in a big pond. They weren’t being hunted like the big names were.

And what was he going to do if he had escaped? Do you think that he would have settled into a quiet retirement in the Argentine countryside sipping tea and eating cakes and painting pictures? Would the man who made Europe tremble under his boots settle for that? Or would this burned out middle aged shell of a man with multiple serious health issues (possibly including Parkinson’s Disease) want to start all over in a country In which he had no ties?

And what kind of legacy would he have left Germany if he had fled like a coward instead of going down with the Reich? The escape conspiracy buffs never seem to have an answer to those questions.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

They weren’t being hunted like the big names were.

Big names like Wernher von Braun?

[Coronal]

Von Braun turned himself over to American authorities. Nobody had to hunt for him. His involvement in the German rocket program was already known.

[Dr. Franklin]

Those who escaped were able to do so because they were small fish in a big pond. They weren’t being hunted like the big names were.

What makes you think the Allies were actively hunting them? Soviet Tass was the first to report that Hitler fled to Argentina in July 1945, but no one cared to pressure the Argentine government about it. (The Argentines didn't want' to give up a productive ethnic European population, or the plundered wealth the Nazis brought with them.) Only Israelis like Simon Wiesenthal were actively looking for prominent Nazis. They only found Joseph Mengele after he was dead and buried. According to the declassified 1955 CIA report about Hitler's visit to Columbia, the CIA bosses declined to pursue the matter because it would be too expensive, which is to say it was not important, or that they just didn't want to probe the matter further. The CIA didn't want to hunt Hitler.

And what was he going to do if he had escaped? Do you think that he would have settled into a quiet retirement in the Argentine countryside sipping tea and eating cakes and painting pictures? Would the man who made Europe tremble under his boots settle for that? Or would this burned out middle aged shell of a man with multiple serious health issues (possibly including Parkinson’s Disease) want to start all over in a country In which he had no ties?

South America's ethnic German communities experienced fantastic growth after WWII from the escaping Nazis. According to the books that were written about Hitler in Argentina, Hitler and Eva Braun had two daughters there, who were still alive at the turn of the millennium. As the leader of Germany, Hitler didn't want to get married because his family would have been at risk. After the war, that didn't matter. He spent his time enjoying the Andes, as he had the Alps in Europe.



The German community respected him as an elder leader much like prisoners who rebelled and briefly take over a prison respect their leaders. They remember that it was good the short time it lasted.

And what kind of legacy would he have left Germany if he had fled like a coward instead of going down with the Reich? The escape conspiracy buffs never seem to have an answer to those questions.

He made Germany a better place by leaving. The Nazis were always aggressive animals testing the limits in Europe. There was nothing noble about them. The Nazis ran away to South America in the same way a pack of wolves will disperse back into the forest once someone fires a shot at one of them. Churchill said the Germans were either at our throats or at our feet. In South America, they lacked sufficient numbers to threaten anyone and stayed at the feet of the respective governments. The Nazis benefited South America, and in turn South America turned a blind eye to them.

[Dr. Franklin]

What proof is there that those photos were taken after the war, in Argentina or anywhere else?

I am still researching the subject. They appear to come from researchers such as historian Abel Basti, author of Hitler in Exile. One photo depicts Hitler having dinner with Walter and Ida Eichorn, owners of the Eden Hotel in La Flada, Argentina. Other books have similar photos of Hitler in South America looking older than in his days as German leader. One accepts them or rejects them as authentic.

[Dr. Franklin]

"So you find the photos convincing that a man blew his head off while sitting on that couch?"
What I find convincing is that with all the alleged sightings of Hitler around the world after he was supposed to be dead, no one has any verified proof that any of those sightings were actually him.

Let the record show that the witness has refused to answer the question.
The CIA didn't dispute that Hitler had visited the German community in Columbia, they just didn't choose to pursue him.

[mass55th]

"Let the record show that the witness has refused to answer the question."

Let the record show that the accuser refused to advise those on his thread that there would be a quiz at the end of his bullshit rant.

[Dr. Franklin]

Let the record show that the accuser refused to advise those on his thread that there would be a quiz at the end of his bullshit rant.

You were asked a direct question:
"So you find the photos convincing that a man blew his head off while sitting on that couch?"
A bullshitter is someone who doesn't answer relevant questions.

[mass55th]

I answered your question: "What I find convincing is that with all the alleged sightings of Hitler around the world after he was supposed to be dead, no one has any verified proof that any of those sightings were actually him."

If you don't like it, tough titty! Give me a failing mark for whatever idiot forensic test you've decided to formulate based on an 80 year old gritty black and white photo that you claim expertise on.

[Penelope Dreadful]

Here is what actually happened - Hitler, Eva and the two German Shepherds escaped by small plane from Berlin. Thence, to North Germany to a U Boat. The U Boat sailed to the Gulf of Mexico where Hitler, Eva and the two dogs were extracted by a small fishing boat. Thence, to the south Texas bayous, and then by truck to New Braunfels, Texas. After living in a cave for a few weeks, they resided on a small ranch, owned by a German doctor, until their deaths. They lived a quiet life, known to but a few people on the ranch. This was set up by Martin Borman, who missed the U Boat. He was destined for South America.

I am reliably told that Hitler learned English, and loved television. Particularly Westerns, and crime dramas. He regained his health, with an actual doctor taking care of him, and lived until 1977. I guess chopping wood and mucking out stables agreed with him. He is rumored to have fathered two children with Eva, who had home births, but my VERY RELIABLE source lost primary contact after putting them on the truck to New Braunfels, and his subsequent information was very second-hand.

For what it is worth, the Frankensteins also immigrated to Texas in the late 19th Century.

[Dr. Franklin]

Here is what actually happened - Hitler, Eva and the two German Shepherds escaped by small plane from Berlin. Thence, to North Germany to a U Boat. The U Boat sailed to the Gulf of Mexico where Hitler, Eva and the two dogs were extracted by a small fishing boat. Thence, to the south Texas bayous, and then by truck to New Braunfels, Texas. After living in a cave for a few weeks, they resided on a small ranch, owned by a German doctor, until their deaths. They lived a quiet life, known to but a few people on the ranch. This was set up by Martin Borman, who missed the U Boat. He was destined for South America.

That's "The Gulf of America" sunshine, and don't you forget it!
I don't think the Hitlers would have enjoyed the plains. They preferred the mountains.

[Dr. Franklin]

1. Authenticity: The swatch was taken from the sofa where Hitler committed suicide in 1945 and was removed by U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren. The swatch was authenticated as human blood transferred from a gunshot wound.

The story of the Col. Rosengren collecting the blood stained fabric from the couch is all B.S., as I surmised.
Read it and weep:

This is where the hysterical claims all fall down. The fabric is fake, and this is why:
It is physically impossible for U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren to have entered Hitler’s bunker “a few days” after Hitler’s suicide and have taken the sample.
Rosengren was indeed an officer who served under Eisenhower, but no American—Rosengren included—was anywhere near the Führerbunker in early May 1945.
After Hitler committed suicide on 30 April 1945, the Soviet Red Army controlled all of central Berlin, including the Reich Chancellery and the Führerbunker, by 2 May 1945.
The Western Allies (U.S., U.K., France) were at that time hundreds of miles away, as per the Yalta agreements, which prohibited them from entering Berlin during combat.
No American troops were allowed into Berlin at all until July 1945, when the formal four-power occupation zones were activated.
Therefore no American—soldier, journalist, officer, or official—could have been physically present in the bunker “a few days” after 30 April.
Every credible historical source agrees that the first Americans allowed into the bunker arrived on 7 July 1945, escorted by the Soviets.
Rosengren was not among these Americans.
Rosengren was a U.S. Army public information officer attached to SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force), serving under General Eisenhower.
At that time (April to May 1945), Eisenhower's headquarters were in Reims, France (and later in Frankfurt).
The closest American forces to Berlin were still far west of the Elbe River the week Hitler died.
Eisenhower personally instructed U.S. forces not to push toward Berlin, leaving the city to the Soviets per Allied agreements.
Thus, Rosengren—being part of Eisenhower’s staff—was not in Berlin, not near Berlin, and not allowed into Berlin when Hitler died or in the days afterward.
... Could Rosengren have taken fabric from Hitler’s couch, even at a later date? The answer is once again no.
The Soviets had exclusive access to the bunker until 7 July 1945. By then, they had removed, documented, and later destroyed most items in the bunker.
The bunker was partially demolished by the Soviets before Americans ever saw it.
What did happen to Hitler’s couch?
It was photographed and examined by Soviet troops on 2–3 May 1945.
Russian archival reports describe removing fabrics, blood-stained coverings, and personal effects.
These materials went into Soviet NKVD custody, not American hands.
Thus the story of the origin of the “blood stained fabric” is clearly made up, most likely by Rosengren himself or later retellings.
The whole story is, as usual, a propaganda hoax.

Latest “Hitler DNA” Claims: More Invented Nonsense

So, the Americans didn't get to enter the bunker until July 7, 1945, and then on July 16, 1945 the Chicago Times reported that Soviet Tass claimed Hitler escaped to Argentina. (See post 108 above.) The photo of the soldiers in the bunker searching for clues to Hitler's death with a candle is clearly propaganda. (See post 101) No blood splatter is visible on the walls next to the couch.

The most obvious source of Hitler's DNA now living is his grandchildren in France. It is well documented that Jean-Marie Loret was Adolf Hitler's illegitimate son from his days as a soldier in France in WWI. The evidence is overwhelming.