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‘Obamacare-lite’? Republicans revolt against Trump’s secret health care plan
MS ^ | November 24, 2025 | Jake Traylor and Mychael Schnell

Posted on 11/24/2025 12:46:06 PM PST by Miami Rebel

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I'd dismiss this as media speculation/fabrication, except for the fact that Republican congressmen are directly quoted.

It's an interesting conundrum, since lots of voters will be losing coverage at the beginning of an election year if a replacement isn't dvised.

1 posted on 11/24/2025 12:46:06 PM PST by Miami Rebel
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To: Miami Rebel

Trump is on the wrong side of this one.

There are so many reasons unconstitutional gov’t healthcare should be abolished.

Here is a sampling of reasons:

1) Gov’t takeover of healthcare is unconstitutional and, thus, illegal. Nowhere does the Constitution delegate power to the feds to meddle in healthcare.

2) See 1)

3) Gov’t healthcare puts your individual healthcare in the hands of distant, indifferent, and non-medial D.C. bureaucrats and politicians who of course as middlemen must be paid and, thus, increasing the cost of healthcare. The HHS bureaucracy has a budget of $1 trillion.

4) The highest quality, most affordable, and most available healthcare in the world is what we had in the voluntary cooperation DIRECTLY between doctor and patient before the gov’t muscled in in the 50’s and 60’s with its “helping hand” hand out and a hammer behind his back! As Ronald Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help’”.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4350455/posts?page=1

5) Gov’t hammer? What hammer? Forced vaccines, forced abortions, forced treatment all by distant politicians and bureaucrats who are not medical experts and do not know you personally.

6) Gov’t agenda vs. your own personal agenda. Who cares more about your health? You? Or some distant politician and bureaucrat who doesn’t know you from Adam and frankly couldn’t care less about you personally?

7) No one cares more about your health than you. Why in the world would you take your personal healthcare and your personal choices in the self interest of your health and wellbeing out of the hands of the DIRECT relationship between you and the doctor of your choosing who knows and cares about you, and instead put your healthcare in the hands gov’t politicians and bureaucrats who don’t know you, have the power to force you to do what they want, and who have their own agenda which includes “culling” the “overpopulation” - so gov’t has a bias toward death.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4350451/posts
https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/the-1-killer-in-hospitals-isnt-a

8) “Healthcare” availability based on gov’t budgeting – a potential disaster. Long lines and long waiting time for procedures immediately available under free market healthcare directly between doctor and patient.
Ongoing government shutdown hinders healthcare providers during flu season

9) That is a short list. There’s more but why would anyone need more reasons? NUKE UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOV’T HEALTHCARE!!!


2 posted on 11/24/2025 12:50:43 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Miami Rebel

The cliff is a problem. It works against productivity.


3 posted on 11/24/2025 12:56:24 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Miami Rebel

Obamacare is Romneycare with a different cover page.


4 posted on 11/24/2025 12:57:48 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Miami Rebel
Trump previously came out in favor of universal coverage prior to the 2016 campaign. And I think his tendencies lie in that direction.

This is one of the fissure-points in the GOP coalition. There is the pro-working class/populist group - of which MTG is one example -- versus the traditional small/limited government wing of the GOP.

5 posted on 11/24/2025 12:59:09 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Miami Rebel

More likely Obamacare done right.

But I still don’t want it.


6 posted on 11/24/2025 1:04:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Miami Rebel

MS Now, formerly MSNBC.

Seriously?


7 posted on 11/24/2025 1:06:35 PM PST by greenbrier
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
> This is one of the fissure-points in the GOP coalition.

What is this "GOP coalition" of which you speak??

Perhaps you mean the GOP circular firing squad?

8 posted on 11/24/2025 1:08:17 PM PST by dayglored (This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalms 118:24)
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To: Miami Rebel

A mess was created, that being Obama-care. As bad as it is (told ya so!), 15 years later it’s tentacles are now everywhere.

Ideally, the whole bill should be repealed. It’s so entangled Realistically, I do not see that happening.

Can Trump or others modify it to make it less expensive? I hope so. And perhaps that’s what Trump is trying to do.

Put the puck on the ice and see if some one comes up with a better response.


9 posted on 11/24/2025 1:08:29 PM PST by llevrok (Voter apathy wins elections for liberals.)
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To: Miami Rebel

Shouldn’t this report say MS NOW, formerly known as MSNBC?


10 posted on 11/24/2025 1:08:33 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Miami Rebel

Too many Republican Congresscritters are getting money from Big Insurance. Therefore, they oppose the Feds not giving money to Big Insurance. Everything else is BS.


11 posted on 11/24/2025 1:09:20 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Jim W N

“Gov’t takeover of healthcare is unconstitutional and, thus, illegal. Nowhere does the Constitution delegate power to the feds to meddle in healthcare.”

Attorney General
Solicitor General
Surgeon General

Article I, Section 8, Clause 12:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;


12 posted on 11/24/2025 1:10:41 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Jim W N

“healthcare”

There’s very little care in healthcare.

The main purpose of the PPACA is to pay for patented drugs, some of which got created in Pelosi’s San Francisco, which had many people with AIDS needing expensive drugs.

Pre-existing condition <~=> taking an expensive drug regularly

There’s an article about Lilly getting a market cap of over $1 trillion.

Much of the work most doctors do is drug related, such as writing prescriptions. Why prescriptions? So pharmacists like Humbert Humphrey could stuff bottles of pills faster.


13 posted on 11/24/2025 1:18:42 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MileHi

Yes, sorry. I just shortened it from the URL address.

The fact GOP congressmen were quoted gave it credibility.


14 posted on 11/24/2025 1:23:24 PM PST by Miami Rebel (A crap product,and vastly over-proced)
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To: Jim W N

And the army the Democrats in Congress are most keen to support are the black women voters that work in health care.

Some other black woman probably took over Michelle Obama’s plum job.


15 posted on 11/24/2025 1:26:09 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: dayglored
What is this "GOP coalition" of which you speak??

Very simply defined as those Republicans who voted for Trump in 2024 - quite a few of which didn't even like him.

There is a big fissure -- that gets less attention than most -- between the small government/limited spending conservatives, and the populists. In the 70's, the majority of the latter would have voted for Democrats.

16 posted on 11/24/2025 1:29:21 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Jim W N

“The Congress shall have power to dispose of...property belonging to the United States”

ARTICLE IV SECTION 2

Congress can take your hard-earned money and give it to a garbage man to throw in his truck, or to give to his sister.


17 posted on 11/24/2025 1:31:12 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Miami Rebel

https://www.kff.org/quick-take/back-to-the-future-a-look-back-at-high-risk-pools/


18 posted on 11/24/2025 1:34:35 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Miami Rebel

Share of total health spending, by percentile, 2021

Top 1% of people with the highest health spending 24%

Top 5% 51%

Top 10% 67%

Bottom 50% 3%

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#Share%20of%20total%20health%20spending,%20by%20percentile,%202021


19 posted on 11/24/2025 1:38:03 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Miami Rebel

Where is their plan? They promised a better plan more than 15 years ago, and we are still waiting for it to be unveiled.


20 posted on 11/24/2025 1:43:15 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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