I work in tech and work with a lot of Indians. Most of them assimilate very well. They speak better English than the stereotypical call center resource, and they’re very proud to say they live in America.
The bigger problem here is that American resources are substandard by technological education. It’s a sad fact that Americans rank very low in math and science proficiency. This should be starting a conversation about how to bring up the next generation to be competitive with Indian and Chinese students, but instead we’re focusing on our disdain for Indian call center reps and entire teams of Indians developing software for American companies.
I mentor students in high school and college looking to get into technology, specifically cybersecurity, and unfortunately the passion isn’t there. They don’t ask questions relevant to the field, and when pressed on technical knowledge about particular subjects, they aren’t mentally agile enough to answer or even have a conversation to help us to gauge their troubleshooting or engineering capabilities. Anyone can learn to code. If you can’t unravel a complex problem into a number of actionable steps, your critical thinking capabilities are subpar.
We should be focused on making American schools better. This is a multi-generational problem.
mucusmaximus is a goat-roping troll for India hate, so don’t expect a reasoned response out of him.
Don’t expect any financial contributions for FR Q4 2025 from the deadbeat freeploading troll, either.
We need schools to focus on self-esteem, not numbers and tech.
“We should be focused on making American schools better.”
Said another way, which entity is more to despicable and detrimental to the US population, the collective CoC/H-1B Visa program or collectively teacher unions? Seems easy an answer.
Woke teachers do not want to offend certain groups by having standards. What’s important is to make students know who they are so they can choose which type of victimization they belong to.
“I mentor students in high school and college looking to get into technology, specifically cybersecurity, and unfortunately the passion isn’t there. They don’t ask questions relevant to the field, and when pressed on technical knowledge about particular subjects, they aren’t mentally agile enough to answer or even have a conversation to help us to gauge their troubleshooting or engineering capabilities. “
Why do you think the students are like that?
It’s not only the education system, but seems like the character and will aren’t there either from what you are saying
Typical Indian arrogance towards Americans. Job stealers go home.
“It’s a sad fact that Americans rank very low in math and science proficiency.”
It takes considerable effort to find oil in Texas, but it can be found.
“cybersecurity”
Dear Windows 10 User:
Our 5,000 plus Asian Indians are unable to secure your PC despite all too numerable attempts.
Instead of working with Intel to develop a secure processor with a pinout compatible with your machine that you might buy for $50, we want you to buy a new machine that will cost an arm & leg with Trump tariffs and then rent software from Microsoft for $99/year.
We at Microsoft are most grateful for your ignorance in technology and math and for Intel’s management failures.
Asian Indian CEO of Microsoft
“If you can’t unravel a complex problem into a number of actionable steps, your critical thinking capabilities are subpar.”
System design is usually done by highly experienced people.
It’s not done by students or recent college graduates.
Thank you for a reality based post! We all agree that America should be filling positions with native personnel, but the cold, hard facts don’t support that view. For the past sixty years American schools have been too damn busy with social engineering to train any damn engineers. We get exited now if our kids can read and do simple math when graduating high school. Our schools have no academic standards—beyond DEI and black history and liberal fairy tales. When my own kids were in elementary school I told their teachers that if the curriculum wasn’t returned to what it was in the past, this country would be in a world of hurt. I have nothing against Indians, or even Chinese people... most of the ones you deal with on a daily basis speak English better than Americans. They seldom end up being a burden on society, and more than pull their own weight. I have a degree in mathematics, and I know a lot of secondary school teachers, my assessment and a lot of teachers assessment of our currant public school population is; we are raising a generation of people unprepared to compete in the modern world. India and China—— not so much.
Oh, there are many bright American kids, and not all education is bad.
We do not need everybody being STEM genius.
The main reason many Americans do not study STEM is that the jobs are not there!
Most are taken by H1B people!
It is Catch-22
Wont fix american substandard unless there is emergency need.
This is created emergency need.
These wonderful Indians ought fix ZIndia. Obviously they have good education. Now fix the problems. Brain drain to America does not help the country that gave them all this brain power.
“unfortunately the passion isn’t there”
American students need to be assured that there’s “Opportunity” at an “Equal Opportunity” employer so they are motivated to learn.
There are always going to be people from hellholes outside the USA that will work for less than Americans will.
A corporation should not be able cast an American onto a $20,000/year/person welfare system to save $1/hour/employee on its labor costs.
Are Americans to be so undermined economically that they need to have 100% of their health care cost coverage premiums paid by others?
“We should be focused on making American schools better.”
What are the Asian Indian educators doing that our lavishly paid K-12 educators aren’t doing?
Are the textbooks better in India?
While it's true that the average US high school graduate does poorly in math and science compared to the average high school graduate from other advanced economies, the average high school graduate isn't the typical competitor for computer programming or engineering jobs - the US college graduate who majored in engineering or computer science is. And those are as good or better than the comparable cohort from India or China - otherwise American students would be clamoring to attend Indian or Chinese universities rather than vice-versa.
So the claim that there's a shortage of well-qualified American engineers and programmers is a complete myth, peddled by Silicon Valley Oligarchs as a pretext for replacing expensive American workers with cheap H1B tech workers. They sell the lie using an apples to oranges comparison.