Posted on 09/30/2025 6:09:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
It’s also very possible iron smelting and working was independently discovered by different groups at different times who were all familiar with copper and bronze smelting and may have accidentally discovered iron smelting while using it as a flux for their copper smelting. I think the key was learning how to make kilns that were hot enough to work iron.
“Iron laying all over the ground in parts of North America. Injuns must not have been interested.”
Why? It wasn’t practical for them. There is a whole lot of time and work that goes into smelting metal. Why when they could just reach down pick up a stone and knap out a point in 15 minutes. They lost half of their arrows and points anyhow. Much more practical to replace lost stone points than metal points.
We still use stone because of it’s superior sharpness... It is 100 times sharper than metal.
https://record.umich.edu/articles/surgeons-use-stone-age-technology-for-delicate-surgery/
Silly Europeans and their metal....
The trade routes they have worked out for those days are amazing,but different tribes may have tried to hold onto technological secrets.
Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
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It’s largely mythical, based on a very reasonable sounding idea — that copper replaced stone because it was better (and it probably ain’t for a lot of common uses of in prehistoric antiquity), that bronze was better than copper, that iron was found to be better than bronze, just so just so just so.
IMHO it’s goofy to use these as a date for anything, because it isn’t a real date at all. Some cultures were still using stone tools (the Americas were chock full of that) and didn’t develop bronze until at least a thousand years after its tool use declined in the “Old World”.
In any case, it’s better to use actual dates and date estimates based on the radiometric tools developed in the last 70-80 years. Back when these ‘ages’ were posited, there was stratigraphy and not much of anything else. Even dendrochronology antedates radiometic dating, but clearly using radiocarbon dating on individual tree rings helps calibrate the dates.
-suggests that what had once been labeled an early iron-smelting site was actually a copper workshop that utilized iron oxides as a flux-
First flux capacitor. Maybe where Doc got the idea. ;-)
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btw, there were some apparent hooks left in the two sequels that could work out for something like that.
Define “a 100 times sharper…”. I’m curious to hear that description.
https://record.umich.edu/articles/surgeons-use-stone-age-technology-for-delicate-surgery/
https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/health/surgery-scalpels-obsidian
https://abavistwellness.com/obsidian-scalpel-blade-vs-steel-scalpel-blade/
They were too busy killing each other...................
Iron melts at a significantly higher temperature than copper, zinc, or tin. Iron probably flowed from somebody’s hearth stones once they started using forced air from bellows to obtain higher temperatures for faster melts.
I would image they simply didn't do anything to achieve the higher melting temperatures.
Most of it was probably accidental discoveries. Glass came from hot campfires upon sand.
The ancients didn't have chemistry. They just learned what types of dirt did useful things when accidentally present. Then they gathered that dirt and used it with the process. It probably happened mostly at sloppy forge sites. ;-D
Once interesting side affects were observed regarding different "earths", people included them in their procedures and even started experimenting with additives.
People have always been good observers.
so the bellows would be key; I see iron a lot more common than those other metals in earth’s crust
The location of metal ores are very regional.
If you are into iron, the confederacy ran I think 6 major iron furnaces during the war .. The smelter poured the melted iron into ingot shapes that were carved in granite. They are still there.
The furnaces were named after the commissioners daughters and family. They are Virginia parks now. I have camped at the one named Elizabeth Furnace,
Availability of coal would be another major factor.
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