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Proof John Jay Had a Copy and Used Vattel’s Legal Treatise ‘Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law’ During Nation’s Founding
The Post Email Newspaper ^ | 27 Sep 2025 | CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

Posted on 09/27/2025 10:03:38 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner

(Sep. 27, 2025) — Vattel’s legal treatise was mentioned in communications between John Jay and others during the revolution and founding and framing time period. Vattel’s legal treatise was a very important guiding light and legal reference to the Founders and Framers in the justifying the revolution, the founding of our nation, the writing and framing of our founding documents, and in the establishment of our new U.S. Federal Government’s “Common Law” via subsequent U.S. Supreme Court Decisions, especially regarding U.S. citizenship.

John Jay became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. I have often wondered if the book that he has his left hand resting on in this well-known picture of him as the Chief Justice is Vattel’s legal treatise, “The Law of Nations of Principles of Natural Law“. From history we know that he rested many of his decisions regarding our new nation on the Principles of Natural Law, and specifically Vattel’s preeminent legal treatise on the Principles of Natural Law. It would be a worthy book befitting him to pose with, given his strong belief and support of the Laws of Nature and Natural Law, which were espoused and attested to as the legal basis for the revolution in the preamble of our nation’s Declaration of Independence. His July 1787 letter to George Washington , then the President of the Constitutional Convention in meeting in Philadelphia PA, recommending adding the Natural Law term ” natural born Citizen” to the Article II Presidential Eligibility Clause in the new Constitution to provide a “strong check” against foreign influence by birth on future Presidents and Commanders in Chief is another example of the use of Natural Law and influence of John Jay. ... continue reading at: https://www.thepostemail.com/2025/09/27/proof-john-jay-had-a-copy-and-used-vattels-legal-treatise-law-of-nations-or-principles-of-natural-law-during-nations-founding/

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Natural Law and Vattel's preeminent legal treatise on that subject of that time frame were prime movers and influencers on the founders and framers in justifying the revolution and in writing and framing the founding documents. See: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf
1 posted on 09/27/2025 10:03:38 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

2 posted on 09/27/2025 10:13:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: CDR Kerchner

Vattel’s work was clearly very influential among founding fathers and CONUS framers.

Natural Law is to communists as Holy Water and the Crucifix are to vampires.


3 posted on 09/27/2025 10:48:05 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

..COTUS is to the...


4 posted on 09/27/2025 10:48:55 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: SunkenCiv

...COTUS framers...

oops


5 posted on 09/27/2025 10:49:30 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: CDR Kerchner

It means obama aka soetero was never a natural born citizen.


6 posted on 09/27/2025 11:35:57 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: CDR Kerchner

It means obama aka soetero was never a natural born citizen.


7 posted on 09/27/2025 11:36:03 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: CDR Kerchner

It means obama aka soetero was never a natural born citizen.


8 posted on 09/27/2025 11:36:03 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: imabadboy99

I agree.


9 posted on 09/27/2025 12:39:59 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: imabadboy99

Agreed. See some excellent articles on that point: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/?s=Obama+not+natural+born+Citizen


10 posted on 09/27/2025 12:47:36 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Jay later became widely hated because of the Jay Treaty with Great Britain, which had unfavorable terms for the US but averted war with the UK. When Congress passed a vote of appreciation to George Washington as his second term was coming to an end, the Congressman from Tennessee voted against it because of the Jay Treaty. His name was Andrew Jackson.


11 posted on 09/27/2025 4:03:27 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: CDR Kerchner

John Jay was a very dedicated follower of the Christ of the Bible, a descendant of the Huguents massacred 1572. He firmly believef and said that our nation was meant to be Christian nation.


12 posted on 09/27/2025 7:51:56 PM PDT by imardmd1 (To learn is to live; the joy of living: to teach. Fiat Lux! )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Oh not this again! You just ruined a perfectly good margarita buzz.


13 posted on 09/27/2025 8:00:58 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: All

The Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How of the “natural born Citizen” Term In Our United States Constitution: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf


14 posted on 09/28/2025 9:43:15 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: imardmd1

In Deuteronomy 17:15, it states, “Appoint a king from among your brothers; you are not to set over yourselves a foreigner who is not your brother.”

The Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How of the “natural born Citizen” Term In Our United States Constitution: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf


15 posted on 09/28/2025 9:48:00 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: Penelope Dreadful
You just ruined a perfectly good margarita buzz.

The worst haircut possible.

16 posted on 09/28/2025 9:50:24 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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A prominent “birthright Citizenship” fraud example:

Kamala Harris Was NOT Even A U.S. Citizen At All When She Was Born In CA!: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2025/09/22/kamala-harris-was-not-even-a-u-s-citizen-at-all-when-she-was-born-in-ca/


17 posted on 09/28/2025 10:32:12 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Squeeky did a great article on this, years ago. A real Classic! Swill-Again’s Island! Here are some excerpts:

This Internet Article is about CDR. Charles Kerchner, an ex-Naval officer, and leading two citizen-parent Birther. He was also the plaintiff in the suit brought by Mario Apuzzo, Esq. challenging Obama’s eligibility in 2009. Following Friday’s refusal of the New Hampshire Board of Elections to bounce Obama off the slate due to various unsupported claims, the Good Commander decided to exercise his God-given right to make an ass of himself in public. He penned the following broadside at The Post and Email:

[you can read his drivel at the link below.]

then,

In other words, the same bucket of swill being slopped out by the two citizen-parent birthers for going on three years now. (Which come to think of it, is about the same amount of time the castaways wandered around lost on Gilligan’s Island.) Kerchner’s lack of knowledge is no worse than the other Vattel Birthers, but for goodness sakes, the man is a retired naval officer. He is supposed to be smarter than the average Vattel Birther. Anyway, let’s go over his boo-boos.

First, did he swear allegiance to the law of nature or to the U.S. Constitution??? I suspect the latter. Next, his adoration of Emerich de Vattel is misplaced. While Vattel wrote a fine book on International Law, and on laws in France, this was not of any great import to American law, which was based on English common law. And even if it had been, Vattel recognized that England created citizens in a different fashion than France, stating:

Section 214: Finally, there are states, as, for instance, England, where the single circumstance of being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

oh, and this gem!

To recap, Commander Kerchner, has a lousy command of the facts. One could almost say Kerchner’s Grasp of Reality is sooo weak that he is unfit for command of the Vattel Birthers. One could, except for the fact that people who have a good grasp on Reality do not become two citizen-parent Birthers in the first place.

I picture Kerchner sitting in a chair, Queeg-like, sweating and rolling some ball-bearings around in his hand, claiming he didn’t cut his own tow line, that there was a duplicate key to the ward room icebox, and that it takes two citizen-parents to be a natural born citizen.

and, the picture is great, too - The HMS Derriere!!! ROTFLMAO!

https://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/swilligans-island-or-how-the-skipper-marooned-the-vattel-birthers/

After reading that article, and considering Kerchner’s decades long descent into the Sea of Silliness, I have but one question for him - Did Vattel say the following, yes or no -

Section 214: Finally, there are states, as, for instance, England, where the single circumstance of being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.


18 posted on 09/28/2025 11:41:49 AM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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