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Posted on 08/10/2025 2:09:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
A subplot in the Francis Ford Coppola movie The Godfather has only just been solved by fans who couldn't work it out for years.
Fans of the legendary film The Godfather are only just working out a subplot decades on from its release. The Hollywood classic left some viewers stumped, with members of the r/Godfather Reddit page finally piecing together one of the film's smaller but still crucial storylines. A post to the forum saw users decipher a crucial detail which would lead to one of the film's most iconic scenes.
Mario Puzo's novel adaptation is hailed as one of the best films of all time, frequently topping best-of lists. The film still clearly has influence, as fans discuss it decades on from release. One detail that has left viewers stumped for years has finally been solved, it seems.
A fan asked: "Why are the police with Jack Woltz's horse? When Woltz shows Tom Haggen his horse in the stall - there is a police officer in there with the stable hand. Is he there to guard the horse? He did not do a very good job!"
Jack Woltz, a minor character in the first film portrayed by John Marley, is a movie producer who also runs a stable which houses prize-winning horse Khartoum.
Khartoum's head ends up in Woltz's bed, with hitman Luca Brasi killing the prize-winning horse. The plot points circling around the animal had left some viewers confused over the years, however.
One user wrote: "Khartoum was a $600,000 horse that was to be retired and put to stud. Woltz’s entire stable was to be built on this horse’s offspring so Woltz hired security to protect him.
Fans of the legendary film The Godfather are only just working out a subplot decades on from its release. The Hollywood classic left some viewers stumped, with members of the r/Godfather Reddit page finally piecing together one of the film's smaller but still crucial storylines. A post to the forum saw users decipher a crucial detail which would lead to one of the film's most iconic scenes.
Mario Puzo's novel adaptation is hailed as one of the best films of all time, frequently topping best-of lists. The film still clearly has influence, as fans discuss it decades on from release. One detail that has left viewers stumped for years has finally been solved, it seems.
A fan asked: "Why are the police with Jack Woltz's horse? When Woltz shows Tom Haggen his horse in the stall - there is a police officer in there with the stable hand. Is he there to guard the horse? He did not do a very good job!"
Jack Woltz, a minor character in the first film portrayed by John Marley, is a movie producer who also runs a stable which houses prize-winning horse Khartoum.
Khartoum's head ends up in Woltz's bed, with hitman Luca Brasi killing the prize-winning horse. The plot points circling around the animal had left some viewers confused over the years, however.
One user wrote: "Khartoum was a $600,000 horse that was to be retired and put to stud. Woltz’s entire stable was to be built on this horse’s offspring so Woltz hired security to protect him.
"In the brilliant video game you get to follow Paulie around avoiding or subduing many of these guards." Though the video game version of The godfather may not be familiar to viewers of the film, extra details can be found within.
One user praised the games and the additional detail, writing: "I loved that game! I loved all of those off screen moments you get to take part in. It seemed like it was made with love!"killing Khartoum, Don Corleone showed Woltz that his security was a joke."
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This "novelty throw pillow" is an actual product.
Ha. If he had time he would clench a pencil between his teeth and dial 911.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msmoDQptcxA
Easier with touch tone but that was after his time.
I don’t know about the horse, but Frank Sinatra was so angry about the whole “Johnny Fontane” subplot that he nearly came to blows with Mario Puzo in a restaurant.
Sonny gave him a hard time because they got him a deferment but he joined the Marines anyway.
Why did he take the role?
“Your country is not your blood!”
Horrid Writing Award!
Give this writer a different job please. Perhaps turning a stop/slow sign at a road site.
The thing is, the mob actually did protect our ports against sabotage during WWII.
Operation Underworld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Underworld
I agree. Nothing was solved. There’s a police officer in the stable so they speculate that the police officer was hired to guard the horse. What???
Made the officer an offer he couldn’t refuse.
“You know, Mike, we was all proud of you being a hero and all. Your father too,” is said by Peter Clemenza to Michael Corleone in The Godfather.
I saw I and II on the big screen in 2009.
I feel like I read that twice.
I read it twice twice and still don’t understand it. Not a problem for me.
Michael was the one that was supposed to get out of the life. And Sonny doesn’t know anything about the war. So he kind of resents Michael, both for being “chosen” to get out, and for almost wasting that going to war, and then for volunteering to be a button man which Sonny doesn’t think he’s prepared for. Makes perfect sense.
Sonny wasn’t very smart.
If he had gotten an EZ-Pass, he might still be alive. ;)
Great choice. And, if you do not know the story, the suspense is heightened in the restaurant scene, because you don’t know what is going to happen (this presumes you don’t know the cast for GF II as well, and I didn’t.) The Appolonia scene was also a shocker. Great cinematography, great casting. Tight story. Touches mob cliches without becoming a cartoon. And smart people can come to different conclusions as to the underlying meaning. Mrs. BlackElk, who is no dummy, thought it glamourized/glorified mob life, and I came to the opposite conclusion, even before GF II.
The Appolonia scene was also a shocker.
Too bad GFII skipped the scene where Michael gets his revenge on Fabrizio.
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