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Posted on 08/07/2025 4:57:50 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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Translation from:
The American proposals include:
a ceasefire in Ukraine, not peace,
de facto recognition of Russian territorial gains (by postponing this issue for 49 or 99 years),
the lifting of most sanctions imposed on Russia, and, in the long run, a return to energy cooperation, meaning imports of Russian gas and oil.
The package also lacks a guarantee of non-expansion of NATO, which the Russians consistently demand. Moscow has also received no promise to suspend military support for Ukraine. This last point, however, is reportedly accepted by the Russians.
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The fact that Russia has not taken ALL of Ukraine already is a defeat for Putin.
I can see Moldova trying to join NATO. Not sure what Ukraine gets out of this deal besides a cease fire. Will Russia be required to rebuild the Ukraine infrastructure? Or will this fall on the American taxpayers again? Need much more details. The USA MUST not be the ones forever bankrolling Ukraine.
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Russia wants the areas that were covered by the two referendums. The people (mostly Russian) in those areas voted to return to Russia.
"To the Victor goes the spoils" has been in effect since the beginning of time.
Draw a damn line like Korea...and stop the damn fighting.
If Trump is agreeing to meet with him they must have agreed to some kind of deal. I certainly hope so.
The Kellogg plan has been consistent on freezing the current lines but not handing over the cities of Kherson and Zaporizhia to Russia.
It is indeed interesting that it is an American proposal that the territorial gains of Russia be de facto recognized.
US military support is that paid for by Europe in the form of purchases of US military equipment, which most assuredly Europe will as quickly as possible stop since they will want to develop their own military industry. The removal of sanctions would seem to strictly be a matter of Swift.
This description, which does not appear to be official, is an American proposal and represents the starting point of the negotiation with that enormous concession of territory. When the Russian proposal is presented and then negotiation between the two proposals evolves, obviously the final product will be somewhere between this American proposal and the Russian proposal.
One would expect the Russian proposal to encapsulate this American proposal of territorial concession, and the American proposal of sanctions elimination, while adding some sort of restriction on NATO accepting Ukraine, and explicitly adding the sanctions removal to include those imposed by Europe. As for free elections, with the new territories added to Russia, there was never really going to be a chance for those elections to become a pro Russia since it was those territories population that was electing pro Russia candidates.
Release of Russia assets by both America and Europe will presumably be a minimal requirement in the Russian proposal as well.
If this report is correct and this is the opening offer from the American side, then when the Russian offer arrives and agreement falls somewhere between the two, the eventual result looks like a Zelensky disaster.
I somewhat doubt this report. Rubio would have already been working towards undercutting it.
Kellogg is the neocon nutjob who threatened to attack Kaliningrad. I doubt Trump takes him all that seriously.
This plan is the Kellogg plan going all the way back to December.
Ukraine ready for territorial concessions, US presidential envoy says
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🇺🇸🇷🇺‼️🚨 BREAKING: USA MADE AN OFFER TO RUSSIA THAT IS ACCEPTABLE!
Ushakov: “They made an offer that is quite acceptable to us”
Ukraine war may end next week!??
-> Unbelievable developments!
What concessions were made?
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1953415357869281408
Finally commonsense prevails.
Ukraine, Germany, UK and France
will do everything possible to scuttle progress. I guess we’ll see if Trump is strong enough to push this through. Without the US supplying military equipment Ukraine is through so Trump holds all the cards.
Mentioning Kellogg on the thread sparked curiosity, as the WSJ article didn't mention it. So...
"The daughter of US President's Special Envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg, Meaghan Mobbs, whose foundation helps Ukraine, addressed her father after a loud night attack on Kyiv. She wrote about this on the social network X.So, Kellogg's daughter, through Ukrainian media, notes that we have "American volunteers who are wounded fighting in Ukraine" and "American soldiers killed in action."“ 'Loud night in Kyiv, Dad! It might be the explosions and gunfire in the dead of night, but I get the strange feeling the russians don't want peace,' Mobbs wrote and tagged her father.
"She noted that putin is set for war and wants to conquer all of Ukraine."
" 'Russia wants you to believe it's striking back, but Ukraine's precision strikes occurred in response to relentless russian attacks on civilians and only after putin refused a ceasefire. He only wants more war, and all of Ukraine,' she wrote."
More at ....
Source: "Loud night in Kyiv, Dad": Kellogg's daughter emotionally addressed him after massive shelling Ukrainian News, 06 June 2025, Friday, 16:35
"In addition to providing humanitarian aid, the organisation helps evacuate American volunteers who are wounded fighting in Ukraine. They are taken to the US military's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, where they receive specialist care. The foundation also facilitates the repatriation of American soldiers killed in action.
"The R.T. Weatherman Foundation also coordinated and sponsored Kellogg's trip to Ukraine in January 2023. Following the visit, Kellogg testified before the US Senate, declaring that Ukraine must be enabled to defeat the Russian army, as this is the only 'path to bringing these negotiations about."{:P> Source: Foundation run by Trump envoy's daughter provides humanitarian aid to Ukraine – WP 10 February 2025 Ukrainska Pravda 25
Given the Ukraine source that Kellogg's view is "Ukraine must be enabled to defeat the Russian army," as of only months ago, makes "Kellogg's plan," as you write, something quite other than "consistent on freezing the current lines but not handing over the cities of Kherson and Zaporizhia to Russia."
Sounds like the generally current Kellogg plan is really to "defeat the Russian army."
Trump had putin under control then the dems screwed that up and Ukraine had the war. Now Trump has putin under financial control and putin needs to save face and get out of the conflict.
Kellogg’s plan from the very beginning has been to stop the killing. That’s why President Trump hired him.
Everyone's plan is to "stop the killing." Some plan this by, in Kellogg's own words, by a "defeat the Russian army." Apparently Putin's plan is similar, to "defeat the Ukrainian army."
In the interim, lots of folks on many sides are pocketing some proceeds from war, as always and in every time. And making political gains.
As you sparked curiosity, one finds Kellogg's daughter is quite connected.
"Meaghan Mobbs, PhD, is an experienced nongovernmental, policy, and political leader, widely published on topics related to national security, defense, and psychological impacts of war. A graduate of West Point, she holds a master's degree in forensic psychology from George Washington University and a doctorate in clinical psychology from Columbia University. As a Tillman Scholar and George W. Bush Veteran Leadership Scholar, she serves as a Presidential appointee to the United States Military Academy - West Point Board of Visitors and is a Gubernatorial appointee to the Virginia Military Institute Board of Visitors.You can hire her as a speaker for your events, if you've cash enough.As a former Army officer, small business owner, and the leader of a multimillion-dollar private operating foundation, she has spearheaded significant security and humanitarian efforts globally. She has established pivotal relationships with the U.S. Government, multinational governments, nongovernmental organizations, and has advised numerous business leaders and government officials on defense, national security, and public safety issues.
Her insights into national security and foreign policy are deeply informed by her background in psychology and military experience. A former paratrooper and combat veteran, Dr. Mobbs has testified before Congress on these issues. Her peer-reviewed research on the unique psychosocial stressors experienced during wartime service has pioneered the concept of ‘transition stress.’ Dr. Mobbs' relentless dedication to enhancing the effectiveness of military and humanitarian policies, coupled with her unwavering commitment to supporting those who have served, make her a distinguished leader in her field. Her ability to integrate her extensive academic research with practical, real-world solutions continues to impact and shape the landscape of global security and the welfare of veterans worldwide."
And, by the way, the Marshall Fund, as above, has NO office in Ukraine. Poland, yes. Interesting how one follows threads.
And threads.
18,961 posted on 8/7/2025, 8:16:25 AM by marcusmaximusYou're a busy one this morning.
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