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To: marcusmaximus

If Trump is agreeing to meet with him they must have agreed to some kind of deal. I certainly hope so.


8 posted on 08/07/2025 5:42:08 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

The Kellogg plan has been consistent on freezing the current lines but not handing over the cities of Kherson and Zaporizhia to Russia.


9 posted on 08/07/2025 6:04:15 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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It is indeed interesting that it is an American proposal that the territorial gains of Russia be de facto recognized.

US military support is that paid for by Europe in the form of purchases of US military equipment, which most assuredly Europe will as quickly as possible stop since they will want to develop their own military industry. The removal of sanctions would seem to strictly be a matter of Swift.

This description, which does not appear to be official, is an American proposal and represents the starting point of the negotiation with that enormous concession of territory. When the Russian proposal is presented and then negotiation between the two proposals evolves, obviously the final product will be somewhere between this American proposal and the Russian proposal.

One would expect the Russian proposal to encapsulate this American proposal of territorial concession, and the American proposal of sanctions elimination, while adding some sort of restriction on NATO accepting Ukraine, and explicitly adding the sanctions removal to include those imposed by Europe. As for free elections, with the new territories added to Russia, there was never really going to be a chance for those elections to become a pro Russia since it was those territories population that was electing pro Russia candidates.

Release of Russia assets by both America and Europe will presumably be a minimal requirement in the Russian proposal as well.

If this report is correct and this is the opening offer from the American side, then when the Russian offer arrives and agreement falls somewhere between the two, the eventual result looks like a Zelensky disaster.

I somewhat doubt this report. Rubio would have already been working towards undercutting it.


10 posted on 08/07/2025 6:15:05 AM PDT by Owen
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To: jimwatx
I tend to agree.

"Z" has delusions of getting all that occupied land back. I think Rubio already told him...ain't gonna happen dude.

24 posted on 08/07/2025 8:22:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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When the Three meet behind closed doors its going to be a donnybrook. I bet Zelensky comes out with a couple of black eyes. Advise for Mr. Z. Don’t drink any of the tea offered by Putin. Don’t shake Trumps hand. If you see both Trump and Putin grinning—run out. Remember; both Putin and Trump know how to use a pistol. If Mr. Z. is in the way of a deal—he can be eliminated.


29 posted on 08/07/2025 9:24:18 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (. War is Hell, War IS a Crime.)
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