Posted on 07/27/2025 9:19:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
people who have bad health often take vitamins. Cause or effect?
“My benchmark test is to check the label to see if the Vitamin E is solely in natural form with mixed tocotrienols and tocopherols, and with the magnesium being amino acid chelated (magnesium taurate, glycinate, or L-threonate). As a practical matter, look to buy the most expensive brands, not the cheapest”
I was going to say, what percentage of people who take vitamins believe (a) that they'll make them healthier, and (b) provides a shortcut to a poor diet?
First- the issue could be that a lot of people taking multivitamins may be taking too many on the theory that “if one is good for you, more is better”. (guilty here) and could be overdosing on things like iron.
Second, 4% is kind of noise level and people with health problems tend to be more heath conscious than people who are very healthy so there may be some selection bias here.
Third, there are so many vitamins added to foods as a supplement exclusive of multivitamins that the multivitamins are redundant. Fourth, the study only speaks to longevity - not overall health or vitality.
It would really be nice to see how multivitamin use effects health broken down into other criteria.
My experience has been that cheaper nutritional multi supplement brands are rarely as good as the expensive ones. Your experience may differ. If so, please give me some guidance. I am not in favor of paying more than is necessary to get good quality.
I heard that porta potty people say the multivitamin doesn’t even dissolve as they find them whole in the waste. It definitely matters what is taken and I think taking vitamins is a must.
I knew it!
I will now start taking all the pharma pills and vaccines....
It’s like Woody Allen found out in “Sleeper” when he woke up in the future: everything they thought was bad for you turns out to be good and vice versa.
He’s not far off. Last week coffee was poisoning; this week it has health benefits. Sugar/artificial sweeteners. Butter/margarine. The carbon dioxide content of our very atmosphere.
You know what certainly DOES hurt you? Worrying about all the crap they’re trying to scare you with.
Nobody can personnaly know if a supplement, which is by definition has small and long term health effects, is better than another or not. If you can feel the difference, it’s just the placebo effect (especially due to the price), a psychological, unscientific and irreproducible thing.
I’ve seen eye watering priced magnesium supplement (from Juvamine, not to name names) that ends up being junk because it’s made of “marine magnesium”, a marketing term for magnesium oxyde, the cheapest and LEAST bio available magnesium form. That’s why I called out the price=quality claim, especially as a blanket statement in a field with so poor science as nutritional ‘science’.
Unfortunately, there is no simple solution against the wild claims and the marketing push, except extreme skepticism and a lot of personal research. Eating carnivore has dramatically improved my fitness so I don’t really need supplements anyway.
I had sound reason based on the medical literature to think that those supplements would be helpful. They enabled me to claw my way back from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome; from persistent, atypical shingles; and from the beginnings of what I believe was osteoporosis, arthritis, and Alzheimer's Disease. A lifelong tendency toward cold hands and frequent colds was also remedied.
My current doctor now shakes his head that my blood and cardiac numbers are better than his. My contemporaries say that I look ten or fifteen years younger than I am.
?!
You socialize with a lot of "porta-potty people," do you?! Is that typical "cocktail party" chatter where you hang out?!
And those "porta-potty people" routinely examine the raw sewage, looking for undigested kernels of corn, bits of bacon rind, and the occasional undissolved tablet?!
And they check to see if those tablets are actually vitamin tablets - and not, say, other forms of medicine?!
Color me skeptical!
Regards,
You're speaking from personal experience? Did you conduct trials on yourself? Were you really able to discern a difference in your state of health while taking one brand of MV, as opposed to another? What parameters were you measuring and recording, on a daily basis?
Regards,
“My experience was that when doctors failed, five supplements made for a dramatic improvement in persistent health issues: vitamin B-12; vitamin D; Magnesium L-Threonate; collagen peptides; and liposomal vitamin C.”
They held that variable
I’ve been a licensed physician since 1992, board-certified in family medicine since 1999 (worked as a GP/GMO for most of that time, and residency training in Anesthesiology I left early) and I always thought I had a fair background in nutrition (both undergrad AND med school classes)… I’ve taken a daily multivitamin probably all my life.
One-a-day, Shaklee, Centrum (the last for nearly 25 years).
Why?
I believe it’s possible to eat one’s self into disease. None of us are getting the MRDA (MINIMUM Recommended Daily Allowance) of ALL vitamins, minerals and “micronutrients”) every single day and for such a low cost, what can it hurt?
There IS, however, a “more is better” philosophy to which I do NOT subscribe , following the sage advice of one of my pharmacology “professors,” one Sergeant First Class Rivers at the Academy of Health Sciences in 1977 who said, and I quote “you gots to do the mostest with the leastest.”
Sure, there’s the old medical joke that all a daily MVI does is produce very expensive urine but I was listening to the radio in my car going to work one day about 25 years ago when I heard a report from the NIH/FDA that there was NO utility in taking a daily MVI and ANOTHER report out of HAH-vud medical school saying there was a purportedly lower risk of death from cancers to people who took a daily MVI.
Who you gonna trust?
I find a single, daily MVI to be cheap insurance and I don’t trust ANYONE connected to NIH/FDA/CDC or even HAH-vud ivory tower white coat pinheads to dictate my healthcare and diet choices, only to suggest.
Oh, and HIGH dose pyridoxine can cause peripheral neuropathy, sure, but NOT at the 2-4mg per day dose found in most MVIs. The warning always seem to base their fear-mongering on extremes.
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-934/pyridoxine-vitamin-b6
I imagine the kind snd and brand of b12 matters? Which do you use?
This from the JAMA?
Hmmmmm...
Nope, still taking my multivitamin.
And still not getting a CoupFlu vaxx.
To your point...
https://jamanetwork.com/collections/5950/vaccination
Folks might want to read what’s on there and then ask themselves why they continue to automatically believe anything coming out of Big Med.
Some folks who are or become health conscious and take vitamins do so because they know they have personal or family histories that show increased risk of early mortality. Thus these folks may bump the numbers upward.
As an added comment to your interesting point they don’t mention what these extra 4 percent riskers are actually dying of.
And would these 4 percent higher riskers be dying in higher numbers if they weren’t taking the vitamins?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.