Posted on 07/05/2025 4:36:05 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
US President Donald Trump said Ukraine would need Patriot missiles for its defence, after speaking to President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 4, and voiced frustration over Russian President Vladimir Putin’s failure to end the fighting.
Mr Trump told reporters on board Air Force One that he had a good call with Mr Zelensky, repeating that he was “very unhappy” about his call with Mr Putin a day earlier, given what he called the Russian leader’s refusal to work on a ceasefire.
When asked whether the US would agree to supply more Patriot missiles to Ukraine, as requested by Mr Zelensky, Mr Trump said: “They’re going to need them for defence... They’re going to need something because they’re being hit pretty hard.”
He touted the efficacy of the Patriot missiles, calling the weapon “pretty amazing”.
When asked about the prospects of a ceasefire, he said: “It’s a very tough situation... I was very unhappy with my call with President Putin. He wants to go all the way, just keep killing people – it’s no good.”
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Uke strategy of giving up more cities and villages paying off.😄
With all the daily stories that you post about how well ukraine is doing and how they are winning over russia....
there doesn’t appear to be any need for the U.S. to help ukraine anymore, so the U.S. should be rebuilding all the stocks biden sent to ukraine, but never replenished.
I respect that Trump pushed for peace. I respect that he forced little z to the peace table by many means. Putin is now the obstacle. The only way to
Force Putin to the table now is to bankrupt him, or have Ukraine take large sections of Russia to force peace.
This is all “days old” news glommed together by a not well known source to give an impression the author wants you to get.
LOL
Kyiv in 4 days!
The obstacles aren’t the two fighting this proxy war.
The obstacles are the people that have pushed and funded it.
Videos and ground reporting show that the Patriots are only affective against half or less of the missiles. Russia sends in huge drone swarms to light up the air defense radars…then the AD system itself plus whatever it was defending…becomes a target and costs US taxpayers another Billion and further erodes our reputation as able to provide effective defense against the evolved missile and drone threats
We could give a Patriot system to every building in Kiev and enough hypersonics would get through to wreak damage. Not to mention the failed intercepts falling back down into residential areas.
President Trump will be sending more than Patriots. Putin screwed up.
Wasting Patriots on drones is foolish. And Russian drones are hunting Patriots now.
President Trump will be sending more than Patriots. Putin screwed up.
What we really need is a prop driven plane with machine guns to go after drones. We need a Hawker Hurricane
Trump was asked by a reporter if he was going to send more patriots to ukraine, knowing it was a gotcha question...
Trump said they need something for defense...
but the U.S. doesn’t necessarily need to supply what ever tht defense is...
besides... at the pace stories say ukraine is winning over russia, ukraine should be able to take over russia soon, anyways, right?
Prove it.
Ukraine ping
[With all the daily stories that you post about how well ukraine is doing and how they are winning over russia....
there doesn’t appear to be any need for the U.S. to help ukraine anymore, so the U.S. should be rebuilding all the stocks biden sent to ukraine, but never replenished.]
In WW2, Russia was invaded by Germany, a country with 1/3 its population and 1/40 its size. Yet it relied on massive US aid, including as much as half of many raw materials, more than half of a number, 100K trucks, 400K jeeps, 14K planes, 13K tanks, huge numbers of railroad cars. Khrushchev and Stalin admitted it would have lost without US aid.
When Finland fought Russia during the Winter War while Russia was allied with Nazi Germany to divide up Poland and hand over the Baltics to Russia, the Finns relied on foreign supplies to keep fighting, but was denied this aid by Germany, leading to its partial defeat and the loss of 10% of its land.
But in the Continuation War, which Finland launched to retake its lost territory, it received full German support, including a detachment of German troops. In that campaign, it not only recovered lost territory, it advanced onto Russian land, and held it until it signed a separate peace in 1944 giving that land back and another piece as a concession. German supplies to the Finns had slowed to almost nothing, and it could not keep fighting Russia without that imported equipment, so it made the best deal it could, under these straitened circumstances. As with Russia’s reliance on Lend Lease supplies from the US and massive rerouted Lend Lease from the UK, foreign aid meant the difference not just between victory and defeat, but the very ability to continue the war.
But in light of July Fourth celebrations, a more timely comparison might be to the rebel cause being aided by French and Spanish cash and arms. France and Spain gave 3% and 1.5% of their GDP to the Patriots for 7 years running. They fought the British Empire in Europe and throughout the Atlantic, which diverted Crown resources, both material and men, that could not be used against the Patriot cause. At the time of Yorktown, financed for the Patriots by Spain, the French Navy was blockading supplies to Cornwallis and a French ground force was on hand, just in case British reinforcements arrived by land.
The bottom line is that all small powers require foreign help to sustain a war against bigger powers. Ukraine’s need isn’t indicative of incompetence, corruption, congenital bad luck, or whatever. China and Russia, were both substantially larger than Japan and Germany in land and resources, but needed foreign supplies delivered as gifts to remain in the war. Both the Chinese and the Russians were incompetent relative to their adversaries, but better supplies courtesy of Uncle Sam helped turn certain defeat into certain victory.
The impressive aspect of Ukraine’s war effort is the way it has held the line against Russia with a fraction of the material supplied to Russia in WW2, and without direct allied military action against Russia to divert its resources. Without US and British action in WW2 against Germany and Japan to divert and exhaust the latter’s resources, Russia and China would have been defeated.
Should we and the Europeans be giving the Ukes hypersonic missiles instead of defensive Patriot batteries? A mix of both?
Nothing I've seen indicates they have that ability. Instead they appear to be consistently losing territory, albeit at a slow rate.
Also, the USA and Europe has already put 17 rounds of sanctions on Russia. The result has been far from bankruptcy: in fact the opposite. Russia has the fastest growing economy in Europe.
Russia seems to have the upper hand in the conflict. Whether the USA is in a position to change that is uncertain. The recent admission that we have depleted our weapons systems doesn't seem to bode well for an even bigger commitment of free weapons to Ukraine. Trump is a great negotiator, but some deals can't be made. He failed on Canada and Greenland, for instance and he may fail on Russia-Ukraine too. His counter-party has no interest or necessity to make a deal at all.
US President Donald Trump said Ukraine would need Patriot missiles for its defense, but, his pal, Putin nixed the idea.
Grok says "No."
The United States has not yet deployed operational hypersonic missiles in active service, though significant progress has been made in their development and testing. The U.S. Army’s Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW), also known as Dark Eagle, is the closest to deployment, with a congressional report indicating plans to field it with an operational unit by the end of 2025. The LRHW has undergone successful end-to-end flight tests, including one on December 12, 2024, from Cape Canaveral, and the Army has delivered prototype hardware to the 5th Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment at Joint Base Lewis-McChord. However, it is not yet fully deployed for combat use. The U.S. Navy’s Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS) program, which shares the Common-Hypersonic Glide Body with the LRHW, is slated for deployment on Zumwalt-class destroyers by late 2025 and Virginia-class submarines by 2028, but it also remains in the testing phase. The Air Force’s Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile (HACM) is further from deployment, with test flights planned through 2027. Challenges, including failed tests, budgetary constraints, and technical hurdles like heat management and guidance, have delayed deployment. For example, the Air Force canceled its Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) program in 2023, and the Navy terminated the Hypersonic Air-Launched Offensive (HALO) missile in fall 2024 due to costs and performance issues. Meanwhile, China and Russia have fielded operational hypersonic systems, such as China’s DF-17 and Russia’s Kinzhal and Zircon missiles, prompting urgency in U.S. efforts to catch up.
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