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To: vespa300

That wasn’t the one I was referring to.

They split the last one into two and made don’t covert your neighbor’s wife one and don’t covet your neighbor’s goods separate, and messed with the one about not making idols.

https://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten-commandments


44 posted on 07/03/2025 10:03:13 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: metmom

Yes, they did do that. They bow down to things so they essentially took out the 2nd commandment, and split the 10th to keep 10. All this was prophecied. She is the great whore of babylon the counterfeit. It’s a system. We never judge individuals. That’s God’s business. But we can judge a false system especially the one prophecied with dates, timelines, and clear descriptions.

The protestant reformers of old never identified her as such and they never believed in today’s dual covenant theology. There was never anything wrong with the law of God and it needed no change. Not one jot or tittle. The problem was with the people. That’s why they made the Sabbath day a burden......it never got into their hearts. None of the gospel did. Today’s Catholic system is the same effect. A cold transactional religion. Go to confession, confess your sin and go out and do it all over again.

They lift up the church and it’s history and tradition......and saints and Mary and Fathers....more than they do the lowly humble Savior.


53 posted on 07/04/2025 4:52:11 AM PDT by vespa300
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To: metmom

“Listen, the Catholic Church didn’t ‘mess with’ the Ten Commandments or sneakily rearrange them to dodge accountability. The commandments come straight from Exodus 20:2–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21, and we’ve been faithful to them for 2,000 years. The numbering difference you’re hung up on is just that—a difference in how we organize the same biblical text. Catholics, following St. Augustine’s tradition, combine ‘no other gods’ and ‘no graven images’ into the first commandment because they’re both about worshiping God alone. To keep ten, we split the coveting prohibition—‘don’t covet your neighbor’s wife’ and ‘don’t covet his goods’—into the ninth and tenth, since lusting after a person and craving material stuff are distinct sins.

Non-LUTHERAN western groups following some Jewish traditions and Reformation-era preferences, split the first two and combine coveting into one. Neither side changed the words of Scripture; we just count differently.

Your claim about ‘messing with’ the idol commandment is especially off-base. The Catholic Church explicitly condemns idolatry in the first commandment (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2112–2114). We don’t worship statues or icons—get that straight. We venerate them as reminders of God and the saints, just like you might keep a photo of your family without bowing to it. This isn’t some Catholic conspiracy; it’s theology grounded in the Incarnation, affirmed by the Second Council of Nicaea in 787. The idea that we hid the idol prohibition to justify ‘idolatry’ is a Reformation-era smear that doesn’t hold up. Check the Catechism or, frankly, the Bible itself—Exodus 20:4–6 is right there in our teaching.


156 posted on 07/07/2025 5:33:10 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: metmom

if you’re implying we manipulated God’s law, flip the script: why do YOU and your group of non Lutherans combine coveting a wife and goods into one commandment? Is that ‘messing with’ Scripture to downplay the unique harm of lust? Of course not—it’s just a different tradition. Both lists cover the same ground. Accusing Catholics of tampering is lazy polemics, not truth.


157 posted on 07/07/2025 5:35:11 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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