Yes, they did do that. They bow down to things so they essentially took out the 2nd commandment, and split the 10th to keep 10. All this was prophecied. She is the great whore of babylon the counterfeit. It’s a system. We never judge individuals. That’s God’s business. But we can judge a false system especially the one prophecied with dates, timelines, and clear descriptions.
The protestant reformers of old never identified her as such and they never believed in today’s dual covenant theology. There was never anything wrong with the law of God and it needed no change. Not one jot or tittle. The problem was with the people. That’s why they made the Sabbath day a burden......it never got into their hearts. None of the gospel did. Today’s Catholic system is the same effect. A cold transactional religion. Go to confession, confess your sin and go out and do it all over again.
They lift up the church and it’s history and tradition......and saints and Mary and Fathers....more than they do the lowly humble Savior.
Vespa, your Seventh Day Adventist non Christian cult was founded by a false prophetess, Ellen G White who had numerous failed prophecies. This makes her and the Adventist cult as Luciferan
White’s 1844 claim contradicts Hebrews 9:12. How do you test her visions against Scripture (Acts 17:11)?
Your Adventist accusation is a tired mix of half-truths, anti-Catholic prejudice, and prophetic cherry-picking that collapses under scrutiny. You claim Catholics manipulated the Ten Commandments to dodge the second commandment against idols and split the tenth to cover it up, all while labeling the Church the “great whore of Babylon” in some grand prophetic scheme. Let’s rip this apart with facts, Scripture, and reason:
1. 10 commandments numbering
You assert Catholics “split the last one into two” and “messed with” the idol commandment to hide their alleged idol worship. This is a distortion rooted in ignorance of biblical and historical context.
Numbering Differences: The Bible doesn’t number the Ten Commandments explicitly. Different traditions divide the Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21 texts differently. Catholics, following the ancient tradition of Augustine (and early Jewish practices), combine the prohibitions against false gods and idols (Exodus 20:3-6) into one commandment, emphasizing monotheism and proper worship. The coveting prohibitions (Exodus 20:17) are split into two (against coveting a neighbor’s wife and goods), highlighting distinct sins of lust and greed. Protestants and Adventists, following the Origen tradition, separate false gods (Exodus 20:3) and idols (20:4-6) into two, combining coveting into one. Both yield ten commandments; neither alters the text.
Your claim that Catholics “took out” the second commandment (on idols) is flat-out false. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2083-2141) lists all commandments, including the prohibition against idolatry (CCC 2110-2114). The full text of Exodus 20:4-6 appears in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Douay-Rheims, NABRE). We didn’t erase anything; we just organize the list differently. Accusing us of “messing with” God’s law is slanderous and dishonest.
So, the Adventist position is “lie about Christianity and don’t reveal that Adventism considers Jesus as the angel Michael and that Satan takes on the sins of the world”
Your Adventist accusation is a tired mix of half-truths, anti-Catholic prejudice, and prophetic cherry-picking that collapses under scrutiny. You claim Catholics manipulated the Ten Commandments to dodge the second commandment against idols and split the tenth to cover it up, all while labeling the Church the “great whore of Babylon” in some grand prophetic scheme. Let’s rip this apart with facts, Scripture, and reason:
You call the Catholic Church the “great whore of Babylon,” a “counterfeit system” prophesied with “dates, timelines, and clear descriptions.” This is recycled Adventist polemic, rooted in Ellen G. White’s visions, not Scripture. Let’s expose its flaws.
Revelation 17 and Babylon: The “whore of Babylon” in Revelation 17:1-18 is a symbolic figure, often interpreted as apostate Jerusalem, pagan Rome, or a broader anti-God system, not the Catholic Church. The text describes a city on seven hills (17:9), drunk with the blood of saints (17:6). Historically, this fits Nero’s Rome, which persecuted Christians, or Jerusalem, which rejected Christ and faced judgment (Matthew 23:37-38). Linking it to the papacy requires wild leaps—where are the “dates and timelines” in Revelation 17? You’re likely pulling from Daniel 7:25 or White’s Great Controversy, but as shown in prior responses, Daniel’s “little horn” is more clearly Antiochus IV, not the papacy.
The Catholic Church, founded by Christ (Matthew 16:18-19), preserved the Bible, defined the Trinity, and spread the Gospel for 2,000 years. Calling it a “counterfeit” ignores its apostolic roots and the witness of saints, martyrs, and councils. Adventism, born in the 1840s from the Millerite flop, leans on White’s unverified prophecies. Who’s the real newcomer here?
You say you don’t judge individuals, only “false systems.” Fine, but your system’s foundation—White’s interpretations, like the 2,300-day prophecy or Sunday as the mark of the beast—lacks biblical grounding. Revelation 13’s mark is about loyalty to anti-God powers, not a worship day. Show me one verse explicitly tying the papacy to Babylon or Sunday worship to the mark. You’re parroting Adventist tradition, not God’s Word.
If we’re talking tampering, Adventism’s reliance on White’s writings as near-scriptural adds to God’s Word, a far graver offense than numbering differences (Revelation 22:18-19). Pot, meet kettle.
You’ve thrown around “prophecy” and “counterfeit” without a shred of biblical evidence. Show me one verse explicitly stating the Catholic Church altered the commandments to hide idolatry or is the “whore of Babylon.” Show me where the Bible mandates seventh-day Sabbath-keeping for Christians. You can’t, because your claims rest on Adventist folklore, not Scripture