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To: Angelino97

It’s what I have been saying all along and the ignorance among today’s evangelicals on this subject is stunning.

To their Credit, Catholics still teach the 10 commandments, ALL 10, because they don’t accept the dual covenant heresy. And it is a heresy. The Catechism has a whole section on the 10 commandments including the Sabbath! And to keep it.

The only difference is they have traditionally taught the papacy had the power and authority to change the weekly holy day from the seventh to the first day.

Dual Covenant heresy came about in part because today’s evangelicals know Sunday keeping isn’t in the Bible. So they bought this heresy......OT is law, NT is grace. No law, meaning no Sabbath....just grace.

Until of course you try to take their car or sleep with their wives....then there is law again.

In the final analysis, one will either side with the papacy and keep Sunday....or with the Seventh day Adventist message and keep the Bible Sabbath. In the end there will be no other option. The Mark of the Beast will concern God’s law. Just as a decree issued in Daniel’s day concerned God’s law. Daniel 6:5

Never tinker with God’s holy things.....and the weekly Sabbath is a holy thing that God made holy. And he made it for man. Genesis 2:1 and 2......and Mark 2:27.

At least the Catholics are not fooled by this dual covenant heresy......Evangelicals have been snookered hook line and sinker.


23 posted on 07/03/2025 6:38:19 PM PDT by vespa300
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To: vespa300
No law, meaning no Sabbath....just grace.

No law = no sin. The Law defines sin. It is a measurement. The Law condemns but does not save. So the world puts it aside and ignores it. But God sees all and records.

24 posted on 07/03/2025 6:43:58 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I tried pushing the envelope but it remained stationery.)
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To: vespa300
To their Credit, Catholics still teach the 10 commandments, ALL 10, because they don’t accept the dual covenant heresy. And it is a heresy. The Catechism has a whole section on the 10 commandments including the Sabbath! And to keep it.

Which is kind of irrelevant when they changed the Ten commandments and renumbered them to still equal ten.

34 posted on 07/03/2025 7:11:54 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: vespa300; Angelino97

Vespa, you wrote “In the final analysis, one will either side with the papacy and keep Sunday....or with the Seventh day Adventist message and keep the Bible Sabbath. In the end there will be no other option. The Mark of the Beast will concern God’s law. Just as a decree issued in Daniel’s day concerned God’s law. Daniel 6:5”

Your Adventist claim hinges on a narrow interpretation that Sunday worship equals the “Mark of the Beast” and aligns with the papacy, while only the seventh-day Sabbath is biblical. That’s a bold leap, but it doesn’t hold up. Colossians 2:16-17 clearly states that Sabbaths are shadows fulfilled in Christ, our true rest. Romans 14:5-6 allows believers freedom in choosing worship days—no mandate for Saturday only. The “Mark of the Beast” in Revelation 13 is about loyalty to anti-God systems, not a specific day. Your Daniel 6:5 reference? It’s about Daniel’s faithfulness, not a prophecy of Sunday laws. Forcing a Saturday-or-papacy binary ignores Scripture’s broader context and Christ’s unifying work


138 posted on 07/07/2025 3:12:25 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: vespa300; Angelino97; metmom

Vespa, you wrote “In the final analysis, one will either side with the papacy and keep Sunday....or with the Seventh day Adventist message and keep the Bible Sabbath. In the end there will be no other option. The Mark of the Beast will concern God’s law. Just as a decree issued in Daniel’s day concerned God’s law. Daniel 6:5”

Your argument is a tangled mess of half-truths and Adventist dogma that doesn’t survive scrutiny. Let’s cut through it.

You claim Catholics teach all Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, but then say they swapped the seventh day for Sunday by papal authority. Fine, let’s follow your logic: if the papacy’s change is unbiblical, why trust their Catechism at all? You can’t cherry-pick their teachings to prop up your Sabbath obsession while condemning their authority. That’s inconsistent.

Your “dual covenant heresy” jab at evangelicals is a caricature. Nobody serious says the Old Testament is pure law and the New Testament is pure grace. The Bible’s clear: the law points to Christ, who fulfills it (Matthew 5:17-18). Galatians 3:24-25 says the law was a guardian until Christ came—now we’re under Him, not Mosaic rituals. Colossians 2:16-17 explicitly calls Sabbaths shadows of Christ, not eternal mandates. Romans 14:5-6 gives freedom on worship days. Where’s your verse demanding Saturday worship for New Testament believers? You don’t have one.

Your snark about stealing cars or adultery misses the mark. Moral principles like “don’t steal” or “don’t commit adultery” are reiterated in the New Testament (Ephesians 4:28, Hebrews 13:4) as part of Christ’s ethic, not because we’re bound to the Ten Commandments as a legal code. The Sabbath, though, isn’t commanded for Christians in the New Covenant—show me where it is. You can’t.

Your “Mark of the Beast” claim is recycled Adventist fearmongering. Revelation 13 ties the Mark to worshiping the beast, not picking a worship day. Daniel 6:5 is about Daniel’s prayer, not a Sabbath decree—stop twisting it to fit your end-times fan fiction. Genesis 2:1-2 and Mark 2:27 show the Sabbath’s creation and purpose, sure, but they don’t mandate its observance over Sunday or any day for Christians. Hebrews 4:9-11 says our rest is in Christ, not a calendar day.

You insist it’s papacy/Sunday or Adventist/Sabbath, as if God’s holiness hinges on your day-planner. That’s not biblical—it’s legalism dressed up as piety. God’s not checking your calendar; He’s looking at your heart (John 4:23-24). If you want to cling to Saturday, go ahead, but don’t pretend it’s the only way to honor God. Prove your case with clear New Testament commands, not Ellen White’s talking points. I’m waiting.


139 posted on 07/07/2025 3:15:38 AM PDT by Cronos
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