Posted on 07/03/2025 5:38:42 PM PDT by Angelino97
I have just finished reading “The Old Covenant: Revoked or Not Revoked?” by Dr. Robert Sungenis. It is a study debunking the notion, now regnant in liberal theological circles, that the Old Covenant still stands side-by-side with the New Covenant.
According to this novelty, in essence, God’s “A Plan” and God’s “B Plan” are both currently pleasing to Him and both fully in effect.
Opposed to this, the Catholic Faith teaches that the Old Law — itself good, holy, and of divine origin — was a preparation for the New, and that the New Law superceded and fulfilled the Old.
Indeed, as Dr. Sungenis shows, Pope John Paul II affirmed the traditional teaching in a not-much-quoted passage of Redemptoris Mater: “Christ fulfills the divine promise and supersedes the old law.”
Years ago, I made an effort at debunking this vogue theology in an article on the Epistle to the Hebrews: A Better Testament. Dr. Sungenis quotes from Hebrews, but he does not limit himself to this, as the pilfered quotations below adequately show.
The following is a series of scriptural, patristic, and magisterial citations from “The Old Covenant: Revoked or Not Revoked?“:
Hebrews 7:18: “On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness…”;
Hebrews 10:9: “Then he says, ‘Behold, I come to do your will.’ He takes away the first [covenant] to establish the second [covenant]…”;
2 Corinthians 3:14: “For to this day when they [the Jews] read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away”;
Hebrews 8:7: “For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another”;
Colossians 2:14: “Having canceled the written code, with its decrees, that was against us and stood opposed to us; He took it away nailing it to the cross”;
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, para. 29: “…the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished…but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross”;
The Catechism of the Council of Trent: “…the people, aware of the abrogation of the Mosaic Law…”;
Council of Florence: “that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law…although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began”;
Council of Trent: “but not even the Jews by the very letter of the law of Moses were able to be liberated or to rise therefrom”;
Cardinal Ratzinger: “Thus the Sinai [Mosaic] Covenant is indeed superseded” (Many Religions – One Covenant, p. 70).
St. John Chrysostom: “Yet surely Paul’s object everywhere is to annul this Law….And with much reason; for it was through a fear and a horror of this that the Jews obstinately opposed grace” (Homily on Romans, 6:12); “And so while no one annuls a man’s covenant, the covenant of God after four hundred and thirty years is annulled; for if not that covenant but another instead of it bestows what is promised, then is it set aside, which is most unreasonable” (Homily on Galatians, Ch 3);
St. Augustine: “Instead of the grace of the law which has passed away, we have received the grace of the gospel which is abiding; and instead of the shadows and types of the old dispensation, the truth has come by Jesus Christ. Jeremiah also prophesied thus in God’s name: ‘Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah…’ Observe what the prophet says, not to Gentiles, who had not been partakers in any former covenant, but to the Jewish nation. He who has given them the law by Moses, promises in place of it the New Covenant of the gospel, that they might no longer live in the oldness of the letter, but in the newness of the spirit” (Letters, 74, 4);
Justin Martyr: Now, law placed against law has abrogated that which is before it, and a covenant which comes after in like manner has put an end to the previous one; and an eternal and final law – namely, Christ – has been given to us, and the covenant is trustworthy…Have you not read…by Jeremiah, concerning this same new covenant, He thus speaks: ‘Behold, the days come,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…’” (Dialogue with Trypho, Ch 11).
——>I’ll crush your arguments with Scripture, history, and theology
I don’t see how that’s possible since the Papacy has been in the Protestant Reformer trash compactor for hundreds of years.
https://www.who-is-the-antichrist.org/
——>Sunday fulfills the Sabbath biblically. Produce one New Testament verse mandating Saturday worship.
Already covered by Cardinal Gibbons.
ROME’S CHALLENGE
Why do Protestants keep Sunday?
https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf
——>your Adventist obsession with the Sabbath, claiming it was made for all mankind by a preincarnate Jesus
It wasn’t?
Phil, Prince of Dim Light, your Adventist outburst, branding Cardinal Gibbons a liar and clinging to a website to claim Catholics reject the seventh-day Sabbath, is a desperate flail rooted in Ellen G. White’s anti-Catholic venom. Let's break down your argument with Scripture, history, and theology, exposing Adventism’s satanic lies and urging you to repent.
Error | Details | Refutation |
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False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath unsupported. | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Phil, your Rome’s Challenge PDF is Adventist propaganda, misquoting Catholic sources to push White’s Sabbath lie. Sunday worship is apostolic (Acts 20:7), fulfilling the Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9-11), not a papal change. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, heretical judgment, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one New Testament verse mandating Saturday worship or a Trent decree changing the Sabbath. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Have a day of truth.
Error | Details | Refutation |
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False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath unsupported. | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Phil, your Reformer “trash compactor” and website lie are shredded—the papacy isn’t Antichrist; Antiochus or Nero fit better. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, heretical judgment, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one verse naming the papacy as Antichrist. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Have a day of truth, not delusion.
The thing is that they fiest accounts of Jesus were written within decades of his death.
We have lots of ancients mocking or detracting Christians as working a crucified God or a dead God but no one claimed that Jesus didn’t exist.
We also have the Apostles who met him who died horrible deaths. Why would they die if they knew Jesus did not exist?
Even Bart Ehrman says that very clearly a wandering Jewish Rabbi named Jesus did exist as the early Christians reported.
Yiu could doubt the miracles but even those arguments can by countered by the fact that the Apostles had physically difficult lives and miserable deaths but never recanted what they saw and believed.
——>Phil, your Rome’s Challenge PDF is Adventist propaganda, misquoting Catholic sources
It’s from the CATHOLIC MIRROR, and “is a verbatim reprint of these editorials.”
https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf
A number of years ago the Catholic Mirror ran a series of articles discussing the right of the Protestant churches to worship on Sunday. The articles stressed that unless one was willing to accept the authority of the Catholic Church to designate the day of worship, the Christian should observe Saturday. This is a reprint of those articles.
February 24, 1893, the General Conference of Seventh day Adventists adopted certain resolutions appealing to the government and people of the United States from the decision of the Supreme Court declaring this to be a Christian nation, and from the action of Congress in legislating upon the subject of religion, and the remonstrating against the principle and all the consequences of the same. In March, 1893, the International Religious Liberty Association printed these resolutions in a tract entitled Appeal and Remonstrance. On receipt of one of these, the editor of the Catholic Mirror of Baltimore, Maryland, published a series of four editorials, which appeared in that paper September 2, 9, 16, and 23, 1893. The Catholic Mirror was the official organ of Cardinal Gibbons and the Papacy in the United States. These articles, therefore, although not written by the Cardinal’s own hand, appeared under his official sanction, and as the expression of the Papacy on this subject, are the open challenge of the Papacy to Protestantism, and the demand of the Papacy that Protestants shall render to the Papacy an account of why they keep Sunday and also of how they keep it.
The following matter (excepting the footnotes, the editor’s note in brackets beginning on page 25 and ending on page 27, and the two Appendixes) is a verbatim reprint of these editorials, including the title on page 2.
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Error | Details | Refutation |
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False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath unsupported. | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Phil, your “verbatim reprint” boast is shredded—it’s an Adventist twist, not a Church admission. Sunday worship is apostolic (Acts 20:7), fulfilling the Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9-11), not a papal change. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, heretical judgment, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one New Testament verse mandating Saturday worship or a papal decree changing the Sabbath. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Wipe that laugh off—face truth.
——>Phil, your “verbatim reprint” boast is shredded—it’s an Adventist twist, not a Church admission.
It’s your own Cardinal Gibbons and Catholic Mirror publication.
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You assert the PDF is a “verbatim reprint” of Catholic Mirror editorials from September 1893, sanctioned by Cardinal Gibbons. The document, responding to Seventh-day Adventist resolutions, does reprint four editorials, but its framing as an “open challenge” is Adventist spin. The Catholic Mirror was a Baltimore diocesan paper, not a papal organ, and Gibbons’ “official sanction” is unproven—likely an editorial stance, not a magisterial decree. The PDF’s narrative, amplified by Adventist sites, distorts this into a confession of Sabbath-changing, which it never states.
Adventism teaches it’s adherents to lie, just as the false prophetess founder of Seventh Day Adventism lied and plagiarized.
You lose, AGAIN.
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/okeefe.htm
——>You assert the PDF is a “verbatim reprint”
Here’s the original
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/Sources/Christian-Sabbath.pdf
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Error | Details | Refutation |
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False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath unsupported. | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Phil, your “verbatim” and “you lose” boasts are shredded—your PDFs are Adventist distortions, not Church admissions. Sunday worship is apostolic (Acts 20:7), fulfilling the Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9-11), not a papal change. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, heretical judgment, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one New Testament verse mandating Saturday worship or a papal decree changing the Sabbath. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Face truth, not delusion.
——>your PDFs are Adventist distortions, not Church admissions.
Nope, they are 100% verbatim statements, originally posted in the Catholic Mirror. Absolutely no biblical basis for keeping Sunday over the 7th-day Sabbath, no matter how hard Jesuit try to convince otherwise.
Did the Catholic Mirror manufacture these statements? Did the SDA church change even one of their words from the original articles? Nope.
You lose, Jesuit.
Refutation of Your Links
Christian-Sabbath.pdf (Alleged Verbatim Reprint): This document, likely a rehash of the 1893 Catholic Mirror editorials, claims the Church admits changing the Sabbath to Sunday by papal authority. Nonsense. The original editorials, from a Baltimore diocesan paper under Cardinal Gibbons, argue Sunday aligns with tradition, not that it replaced the Sabbath by fiat. Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 show apostolic Sunday worship, predating any “change” (Ignatius, *Letter to the Magnesians*, c. 110 AD, Ch. 9). The *Catechism* (CCC 2174-2176) fulfills the Sabbath in Sunday, honoring Christ’s resurrection—not a papal invention. Your “verbatim” boast is Adventist spin, not truth.
O’Keefe.htm (You Lose Again): This page, likely by Michael Scheffler, pushes anti-Catholic tropes, alleging the Church boasts of Sabbath-changing. It misquotes sources (e.g., Butler’s Catechism) and ignores early Christian Sunday practice (Didache, c. 70-100 AD, Ch. 14). Colossians 2:16-17 calls Sabbaths “shadows” of Christ, fulfilled in Sunday (Hebrews 4:9-11). No New Testament verse mandates Saturday for Christians (Romans 14:5-6). Your “loss” claim is your own defeat, Phil, clinging to White’s fiction.
Phil, Prince of Dim Light, your Adventist obsession with the Investigative Judgment—a cornerstone of Ellen G. White’s demonic theology—rests on a shaky foundation of false prophecy, biblical distortion, and historical revisionism. This doctrine, claiming Christ began judging believers’ works in the heavenly sanctuary on October 22, 1844, to determine their salvation, is a heretical fabrication born from White’s failed 1844 prediction
The Investigative Judgment contradicts Scripture’s clear teaching on Christ’s completed atonement and judgment:
Your doctrine is unbiblical, Phil, denying Christ’s completed redemption for White’s 1844 fantasy.
The Investigative Judgment’s origins expose its fraudulent roots:
Your historical claim is a lie, forged to prop up White’s failed prophecy, not God’s Word.
The linguistic basis for the Investigative Judgment collapses under scrutiny:
Your linguistic gymnastics, Phil, are a desperate stretch to justify White’s 1844 lie, not biblical exegesis.
The Investigative Judgment’s logic is riddled with contradictions and absurdities:
Your logic, Phil, is a house of cards, built on White’s desperation, not divine reason.
Phil, your Investigative Judgment obsession stems from Seventh-day Adventism’s demonic core, built on Ellen G. White’s lies. Let’s expose your cult’s evils:
Adventist Error | Details | Biblical Refutation |
---|---|---|
False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 failures (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 131-132). | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies Christ’s atonement (The Great Controversy, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath lacks support (The Great Controversy, p. 605-612). | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Plagiarism | White stole from authors (The White Lie by Walter Rea). | Revelation 22:18-19 |
Adventism is a satanic cult, chaining you to White’s lies and a works-based gospel.
Phil, your Investigative Judgment is a demonic lie, born of White’s 1844 failure. Biblical evidence (Hebrews 9:12, John 5:24) refutes a 1844 judgment; historical context (Great Disappointment) exposes its fraud; linguistic analysis (Daniel 8:14) debunks the 2300-year timeline; and logic (redundant judgment) reveals its absurdity. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, Investigative Judgment heresy, Sabbath idolatry, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as a satanic cult. Produce one verse mandating a 1844 judgment or tying it to Daniel 8:14. You can’t, because your theology is White’s trash.
Nope, they are 100% verbatim statements, originally posted in the Catholic Mirror. Absolutely no biblical basis for keeping Sunday over the 7th-day Sabbath, no matter how hard Jesuits try to convince otherwise.
Did the Catholic Mirror manufacture these statements? Did the SDA church change even one of their words from the original articles? Nope.
You lose, Jesuit.
Error | Details | Refutation |
---|---|---|
False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath unsupported. | Colossians 2:16-17 |
Phil, your “verbatim” and “you lose” boasts are shredded—your PDFs are Adventist distortions, not Church admissions. Sunday worship is apostolic (Acts 20:7), fulfilling the Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9-11), not a papal change. Adventism’s evils—White’s false prophecies, heretical judgment, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one New Testament verse mandating Saturday worship or a papal decree changing the Sabbath. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Face truth, not delusion.
Nope, they are 100% verbatim, CATHOLIC statements, originally posted in the Catholic Mirror. Absolutely no biblical basis for keeping Sunday over the 7th-day Sabbath, no matter how hard Jesuits try to convince otherwise.
Did the Catholic Mirror manufacture these statements? Did the SDA church change even one of their words from the original articles? Nope.
You lose, Jesuit.
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