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In fairness, Hemingway in For Whom The Bell Tolls records, presumably from first-hand accounts that he heard as a fighter for the Repblic, some really appalling atrocities committed by the reds against the Fallangists. Every movie I've ever seen about the Spanish Civil War makes plenty of reference to the Republicans' anti-clerical attitudes and hostilities. On the other, no mention of mass murder of priests and laymen.

What the author describes sounds like the Floyd Riots in many respects.

1 posted on 06/27/2025 2:26:08 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
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The Spanish Civil War: Revised Edition, by Hugh Thomas

A note therein: After World War I, ITT ventured throughout parts of Spain, establishing telephone communications where there had not been any.

That, after centuries of Spain very slowly working, and fighting, its way from being a Balkanized State, to where people where actually doing better, getting along.

Until the telephone.

The telephone communications allowed factions scatter around the country, to meet and unite, resulting in a return to divisions . . . leading to severe divisions between clusters of people.

2 posted on 06/27/2025 2:49:10 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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Mass murder is a communist specialty.

They’re really great at it… it’s the ONLY thing communists are good at.


3 posted on 06/27/2025 2:59:04 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.,)
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God bless Franco.

4 posted on 06/27/2025 3:07:59 AM PDT by Mr. Blond
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It sounds to me like the murderous anticlerical excesses of the French Revolution.

Some of us have theorized that these communist atrocities, done to the faithful of Spain, were well-known to the Catholics of France in 1939-1940 and explain in part the pathetic state of French morale that produced a stunning defeat at the hands of the Nazi invaders. This mindset, that no doubt originated in a deep loathing of the communist movement, then well-established in France, explains the attitude of collaboration by Vichy with the German right.

The history of the communist atrocities in Spain has been largely shoved down the memory hole by journalism and history, as were those atrocities committed by communists in Ukraine about a decade earlier.

However, journalism and history took a keen interest in the French resistance that opposed the Nazis, especially in coordination with Allied actions there, beginning on D-Day. A great portion of that resistance was simply resistance by communists.

Many factors are presented to explain the otherwise inexplicable failure of the French effectively to resist the Nazi invasion. After all, the French had more troops, better equipment and the advantage of defense. Yet everywhere they acted with a defeatist mindset that the facts on paper did not justify. Interestingly, we see Churchill flying to France as the German advance rolled on, only to be shocked by the feckless French.

My surmise is that a pious Catholic in France made a rational choice between a Nazi occupation on the one hand and collaboration with communists on the other. He saw the excesses of the communist in Spain, but had no evidence at that time of the atrocities to be committed by the Nazis.


6 posted on 06/27/2025 3:20:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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What Lefties have never wanted to acknowledge is:

Spanish Republicans were openly backed by the Commies.

The Spanish Republicans STARTED the Spanish Civil War when they MURDERED the leader of the Falangist political party Jose Calvo Sotelo (what kind of "democracy" murders its political opponents?)

The Socialists/Commies had been murdering priests, nuns, landowners and anybody opposed to their politics off and on from 1931 to the outbreak of the civil war in 1936.

The Spanish Nationalists rose in reaction to the numerous atrocities and increasingly oppressive authoritarian rule of the Socialists/Commies.

The Spanish Nationalists/Falangists were not fascists. You could reasonably call them reactionaries, but they never had the goal of imposing totalitarian rule over Spain and indeed they did not. Religious minorities for example were tolerated. Many Many thousands of Jews fled to and through Spain prior to and during WWII. Franco's government did nothing to stop them.

Spain's economy grew tremendously under Franco and the Falangists peacefully stepped aside and allowed a Democratic government to take power of a now vastly wealthier Spain. The Commies would have delivered neither prosperity nor a peaceful transition to Democracy or at the very least, would have delivered the latter much later.

If I were Spanish and had to pick sides, choosing Franco over the Commies would have been an extremely easy choice. Viva el Caudillo!

9 posted on 06/27/2025 3:32:31 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Hemingway, also Orwell (who was injured fighting on the Loyalist side).

Nobody is really hiding anything, or if they are it's not working. Mostly just people don't care so much about it. It was long ago and the post-Franco government is not a return to the Spanish Republic.

11 posted on 06/27/2025 3:57:06 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along.)
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Extreme reactions to extreme ties of Church and State.


15 posted on 06/27/2025 4:37:39 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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I always thought the US today has a similar environment to that of before the Spanish Civil War. Leftist authorities generally giving a pass to leftist violence.


19 posted on 06/27/2025 5:08:26 AM PDT by fruser1
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What is the Left Hiding about the Spanish Republic?: The Red Terror

Title could just as easily be: What is the Left Hiding about the Mexican Revolution of 1917?: The Red Terror

23 posted on 06/27/2025 5:31:48 AM PDT by fso301
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Many years ago, I was home from school, watching a daytime movie the local station used to run (they were invariably films available on the cheap, generally either real bombs and/or obscurities). It was a Gregory Peck film about the Spanish Civil War and aftermath, but I could not make heads or tails of it at the time. Some years later I found out it was "Behold a Pale Horse" and I was urged to watch it by acquaintances at the credentialing/indoctrination mill (because it was SO good, and SO honest about Franco's inhumanity, and SO this, that and the other thing).

Watching it again was only valuable insofar as it provided me with another example of how eagerly Hollywood polishes the turd of communism.

31 posted on 06/27/2025 6:36:55 AM PDT by niteowl77
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I tried to watch it but it’s in Mexican… Oh well


39 posted on 06/27/2025 11:05:06 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI….There’s really not much to)
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During the Greek civil war, the Greek Communists approached my family demanding their support. My family were not only large landowners, but also had a long military tradition. My mother’s uncle was a general in the army who fought the Germans until he was captured. Getting my family’s support would have been a huge feather in the Communists’ cap.

My family were staunchly anti-Communist and refused. In response, the Communists burned down the family home and kidnapped two young girls. They held them hostage in the mountains for a year, basically until the civil war ended.

Communists are evil, brutal animals and deserve no consideration or quarter in defeating them.


52 posted on 06/28/2025 11:02:44 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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