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To: Eleutheria5
It sounds to me like the murderous anticlerical excesses of the French Revolution.

Some of us have theorized that these communist atrocities, done to the faithful of Spain, were well-known to the Catholics of France in 1939-1940 and explain in part the pathetic state of French morale that produced a stunning defeat at the hands of the Nazi invaders. This mindset, that no doubt originated in a deep loathing of the communist movement, then well-established in France, explains the attitude of collaboration by Vichy with the German right.

The history of the communist atrocities in Spain has been largely shoved down the memory hole by journalism and history, as were those atrocities committed by communists in Ukraine about a decade earlier.

However, journalism and history took a keen interest in the French resistance that opposed the Nazis, especially in coordination with Allied actions there, beginning on D-Day. A great portion of that resistance was simply resistance by communists.

Many factors are presented to explain the otherwise inexplicable failure of the French effectively to resist the Nazi invasion. After all, the French had more troops, better equipment and the advantage of defense. Yet everywhere they acted with a defeatist mindset that the facts on paper did not justify. Interestingly, we see Churchill flying to France as the German advance rolled on, only to be shocked by the feckless French.

My surmise is that a pious Catholic in France made a rational choice between a Nazi occupation on the one hand and collaboration with communists on the other. He saw the excesses of the communist in Spain, but had no evidence at that time of the atrocities to be committed by the Nazis.


6 posted on 06/27/2025 3:20:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

It sounds to me like the murderous anticlerical excesses of the French Revolution.


It almost happened again after the Liberation of Paris in 1945. The Communists were trying to seize control of the city, putting their enemies on trial for alleged collaboration with the Nazis. It was DeGaulle who put a stop to it.


7 posted on 06/27/2025 3:23:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: nathanbedford

Also, don’t forget that between 23 August 1939 and 22 June 1941 the Nazis and the Communists were allies.

(And the German and Soviet secret services had acted in consort to some extent ever since 1933.)


14 posted on 06/27/2025 4:28:39 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: nathanbedford

Hmmm…Mr. Orosius has said that Soviet agents in France did sow defeatism among the French in 1940.

I think this really could have happened, since the Hitler-Stalin pact still was holding at that time.

Yes, and you might really be correct about the assessment of non-Communist French in 1940, who said to themselves that the Nazis would still be better than their hostile twins.

What a tragical misconception…


42 posted on 06/27/2025 1:28:01 PM PDT by Menes (Thank you, America, for giving us hope!)
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To: nathanbedford

The French military were betrayed by the socialist French government their military leadership. For those who care to look there’s many examples of French soldiers fighting well in WWII. The government, etc. simply didn’t have their back.


43 posted on 06/27/2025 1:30:48 PM PDT by Reily
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