Posted on 05/13/2025 1:16:13 PM PDT by God luvs America
In a historic, sweeping decision, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.
The all-time hit king and Jackson -- both longtime baseball pariahs stained by gambling, seen by MLB as the game's mortal sin -- are now presumably eligible for election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.
Manfred ruled that MLB's punishment of banned individuals ends upon their deaths.
"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.
"Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual, and Mr. Rose will be removed from the permanently ineligible list."
Manfred's decision ends the ban that Rose accepted from then-Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in August 1989, following an MLB investigation that determined the 17-time All-Star had bet on games while managing the Cincinnati Reds.
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This is incorrect and regardless, relies on Pete Rose being honest in what he said: Something he never did in his entire life. He lied continuously until the evidence forced him to concede prior lies.
Regardless, though - a baseball season is a sprint. It saddens me greatly, growing up as a fan of the *player* - but I’m also a member of SABR and I’ve seen convincing studies that correlate things like “days off” or rest days for players. Bullpen usage patterns. Strong indications that Rose essentially “played off” games he did NOT bet on to increase his chances in games he DID bet on. There are some other indications he tried to “move the line” - change tendencies, change the rotation, etc to juice his bet days.
It is impossible to prove any of this - the only man who could do so is dead and had a lifelong aversion to the truth.
Joe never took any money and never threw a game.
Pete DID everything they accused him of. And he admitted it.
Put them both in the HoF. Put a note on their plaque about being banned for gambling to satisfy the purists if necessary. But they both deserve to be in, IMO.
How about the relocation of teams, one from the NFL and soon one from MLB, to Las Vegas? There's already a NHL team there.
Rose is dead.
“One threw the world series”
Sure, while putting up series MVP numbers.
If you haven’t seen it yet, watch the trailer for the new Naked Gun movie.
Of course, players, coaches, and umpires should be completely prohibited from gambling on baseball, but the league and the teams are profiting a great deal from gambling on baseball.
Seems to me just a bit hypocritical. And we are likely going to see a big gambling scandal hit one of the major sports sooner or later.
Obviously.
Very.
I did. :)
Betting on your team as a manager isn’t necessarily good. What if you keep your starter in too long, or overwork a relief pitcher just to win a game you bet on?
“Rose is old and Jackson is dead.”
I have some horrible news...
Oh, jeez. Completely missed/I guess forgot that one!
They never had ANY evidence he bet against his team or took a dive. He was a good fella...
In English soccer, teams wear logos for betting companies on their uniforms.
Yeah, it was just broken to me.
So “reinstatement” makes absolutely no difference for either guy.
True. Even if he really only bet his team to win, a 162 game season involves a lot personnel management, which can get a little cloudy when you’ve got 5 large riding on this game.
Note: If I’d read even the first sentence of the article, my memory would have been refreshed right there!
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