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Pete Rose, 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson among players reinstated by MLB
ESPN ^ | 5/13/2025 | Don Van Natta Jr.

Posted on 05/13/2025 1:16:13 PM PDT by God luvs America

In a historic, sweeping decision, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

The all-time hit king and Jackson -- both longtime baseball pariahs stained by gambling, seen by MLB as the game's mortal sin -- are now presumably eligible for election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.

Manfred ruled that MLB's punishment of banned individuals ends upon their deaths.

"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.

"Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual, and Mr. Rose will be removed from the permanently ineligible list."

Manfred's decision ends the ban that Rose accepted from then-Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in August 1989, following an MLB investigation that determined the 17-time All-Star had bet on games while managing the Cincinnati Reds.

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To: DesertRhino

This is incorrect and regardless, relies on Pete Rose being honest in what he said: Something he never did in his entire life. He lied continuously until the evidence forced him to concede prior lies.

Regardless, though - a baseball season is a sprint. It saddens me greatly, growing up as a fan of the *player* - but I’m also a member of SABR and I’ve seen convincing studies that correlate things like “days off” or rest days for players. Bullpen usage patterns. Strong indications that Rose essentially “played off” games he did NOT bet on to increase his chances in games he DID bet on. There are some other indications he tried to “move the line” - change tendencies, change the rotation, etc to juice his bet days.

It is impossible to prove any of this - the only man who could do so is dead and had a lifelong aversion to the truth.


21 posted on 05/13/2025 1:36:49 PM PDT by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: DesertRhino

Joe never took any money and never threw a game.

Pete DID everything they accused him of. And he admitted it.


22 posted on 05/13/2025 1:37:15 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: God luvs America

Put them both in the HoF. Put a note on their plaque about being banned for gambling to satisfy the purists if necessary. But they both deserve to be in, IMO.


23 posted on 05/13/2025 1:37:25 PM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: hanamizu
When I watch bits of MLB I see ads for Casinos in many, if not all MLB ballparks. In addition lots of states allow and even encourage betting on sports (I’m sure they get a cut).Maybe this is a recognition that attitudes towards sports gambling have changed over the years. Not saying it’s a good thing, but it is a thing.

How about the relocation of teams, one from the NFL and soon one from MLB, to Las Vegas? There's already a NHL team there.

24 posted on 05/13/2025 1:37:39 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Rose is dead.


25 posted on 05/13/2025 1:38:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: DesertRhino

“One threw the world series”

Sure, while putting up series MVP numbers.


26 posted on 05/13/2025 1:38:51 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Magnum44

If you haven’t seen it yet, watch the trailer for the new Naked Gun movie.


27 posted on 05/13/2025 1:39:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: God luvs America
In Busch Stadium today there are numerous signs for some company called Bet365. The Cardinal games are shown on the FanDuel network. FanDuel, apparently, is a sports gambling company.

Of course, players, coaches, and umpires should be completely prohibited from gambling on baseball, but the league and the teams are profiting a great deal from gambling on baseball.

Seems to me just a bit hypocritical. And we are likely going to see a big gambling scandal hit one of the major sports sooner or later.

28 posted on 05/13/2025 1:39:24 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Jim W N

Obviously.


29 posted on 05/13/2025 1:39:57 PM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: BigEdLB

Very.


30 posted on 05/13/2025 1:40:07 PM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: dfwgator

I did. :)


31 posted on 05/13/2025 1:40:37 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: discostu

Betting on your team as a manager isn’t necessarily good. What if you keep your starter in too long, or overwork a relief pitcher just to win a game you bet on?


32 posted on 05/13/2025 1:40:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: God luvs America
In a historic, sweeping decision, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

An empty gesture.

It would have had more meaning if those players were alive to enjoy their fame. Now that they can't care, MLB reinstates them.

Good deal, if they can see themselves from the beyond.
33 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:02 PM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: 9YearLurker

“Rose is old and Jackson is dead.”

I have some horrible news...


34 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:03 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Vermont Lt

Oh, jeez. Completely missed/I guess forgot that one!


35 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:06 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Capn Hayek

They never had ANY evidence he bet against his team or took a dive. He was a good fella...


36 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:28 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

In English soccer, teams wear logos for betting companies on their uniforms.


37 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kleon

Yeah, it was just broken to me.

So “reinstatement” makes absolutely no difference for either guy.


38 posted on 05/13/2025 1:41:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dfwgator

True. Even if he really only bet his team to win, a 162 game season involves a lot personnel management, which can get a little cloudy when you’ve got 5 large riding on this game.


39 posted on 05/13/2025 1:42:18 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Kleon

Note: If I’d read even the first sentence of the article, my memory would have been refreshed right there!


40 posted on 05/13/2025 1:42:35 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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