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Have You Heard About The Absolutely Horrifying Things That Are Being Done To Christians In China?
New American Prophet ^ | April 15, 2025 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 04/15/2025 10:13:23 AM PDT by Rev M. Bresciani

For more than a billion people living in China, freedom of religion does not exist. So those that do wish to worship as they please must do it in secret, and if they are discovered, the consequences can be extremely severe. This week, China is in the news because it is suddenly engaged in a massive trade war with the United States. But most of the time, people living in the Western world don’t pay much attention to what is really going on inside China, and so very few actually know about the absolutely horrifying things that are being done to Christians by the communist Chinese government.

(Excerpt) Read more at new.americanprophet.org ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: banmissionaries; china; persecution; whataboutgaza; whataboutnoodles; whataboutsyria; whataboutwestbank
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Official” or “authorized” churches operate relatively freely. The main restriction is that they must recognize and respect the government and its Marxist trappings. “Home” churches are unauthorized and those who run them risk prosecution. As far as I know and have seen (I’ve lived in China, worshipped in China, and have studied China in my profession), no one is persecuted simply for practicing “mainstream” faith - so long as they do not proselytize or challenge the established regime.
Much is made of the Uighur situation. But my own understanding and opinion is that whatever oppression exists results mainly from China’s fear of rebellion and terrorism, coupled with the resistance of many Uighurs to social integration. Nonetheless, a huge Uighur population still lives (relatively speaking) freely in NW China.

Perhaps I’ll be flamed for these observations, but I offer them honestly based on experience and study.

If it matters, despite my handle, I’m not Chinese.


21 posted on 04/15/2025 1:12:25 PM PDT by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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To: Fai Mao
You can buy a Bible in almost ANY bookstore in China. There is LITERALLY NO REASON to smuggle them in.

Misleading, as it leaves out "legally" as only state-sanctioned bookstores can legally sell them, and only state-approved translations. , research says:

Can you own a Bible in China? - Resto NYC The Chinese government regulates the printing and distribution of Bibles through state-sanctioned churches and religious organizations. .. Owning an illegally printed Bible could potentially get someone in trouble with authorities. ... It is illegal to sell Bibles through unofficial channels like flea markets, street vendors, or independent bookstores and websites. Certain controversial verses may be removed from Bibles printed by the government-sanctioned Amity Press.
Proselytizing with Bibles in public places outside of approved church grounds may result in confiscation along with fines or detention.
Selling Bibles illegally through unauthorized channels carries risks of serious punishments in China:

22 posted on 04/15/2025 4:14:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Chengdu54
So which claims by https://billionbibles.com/china/three-self-church.html would you affirm, that in Three Self churches:

Preaching about the resurrection of Jesus is forbidden.

• Preaching about the second coming of Jesus is forbidden.

• Preaching against religions that deny the deity of Jesus is forbidden.

• Preaching that atheist Communist heroes went to hell is forbidden.

• Preaching cannot deny that all good Communists go to heaven.

• Preaching against abortion is forbidden.

• Preachers can preach only at the Three Self church to which they are assigned.

• Worshipping outside Three Self churches and official "meeting points" is forbidden.

• Importing Bibles is forbidden, even if they are given away for free.

• Printing Bibles is forbidden, even if they are given away for free.

• Evangelizing or giving out tracts is forbidden.

• Government officials cannot be Christian.

• Police officers cannot be Christian.

• Soldiers cannot be Christian.

• Teachers cannot be Christian.

• Children cannot become Christian.

• Teenagers cannot become Christian.

23 posted on 04/15/2025 4:53:57 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Fai Mao; Rev M. Bresciani
I’ve been to China. This article isn’t true. There is actually less religious persecution against Christians in China than in the UK. I would disagree with that last statement, while once again, excerpt - see my blog - "Rev" M. Bresciani is just copying what other posters provided days ago:

https://endoftheamericandream.com/have-you-heard-about-the-absolutely-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-china/ April 9, 2025 by Michael Snyder, End Of The American Dream:

https://acrookedpath.com/have-you-heard-about-the-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-communist-china/ April 9, 2025

https://www.sgtreport.com/2025/04/have-you-heard-about-the-absolutely-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-china/

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-china/ April 11, 2025

24 posted on 04/15/2025 5:06:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

We’re just going to have to disagree.

I have been to church in China, my wife is Chinese. I lived and went to college there. I was, once asked if I’d go to an English rather than Chinese service. When I said no they left me alone.

Three self churches, have evangelism courses, Baptism classes, they preach the gospel, They’re not, in my experience oppressed like they were until 1983.

The exception, and this is sort of a big one, is if a group like, Falun Gung, Mormons,or the Unification Church is labeled as a cult. Cults are persecuted.

They even can broadcast services on the Internet and holiday services can sometimes be seen on TV.

There is a huge church in Shenzhen that has seven services a week with up to 2000 people in each service. There are lots of Christians in China.


25 posted on 04/15/2025 5:42:01 PM PDT by Fai Mao ( All Democrats need to go to prison.)
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To: Rev M. Bresciani

This has been happening for decades / centuries.

When we were growing up we heard stories about martyred missionaries to China. John and Betty Stam were hard to forget:

https://omf.org/us/the-martyrdom-of-john-and-betty-stam/


26 posted on 04/15/2025 6:00:43 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: Fai Mao

Post 22 isn’t accurate?


27 posted on 04/15/2025 6:36:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

It is more or less what I said, just with a negative spin.

You can buy a Bible (or download one from a Church website) if you want one.

But you can’t bring in ANY printed materials, not just Bibles, into the country. So it is disingenuousness to complain that it is religious persecution when the censorship applies to everything.

The government controls the version of the Bible but it is a good translation.

They can’t just pass ouT Bibles on the street, but churches can, AND DO, advertise their service and ministry times. They conduct Baptism and evangelism classes. They have small groups, youth groups, choirs, Bible studies, and all the things that churches normally do.

All organized evangelism, or Christian activities must be carried out by the Three Self Churches. This has the, perhaps unintentional, benefit of keeping the doctrine uniform, clear, and within Chinese legal boundaries.

Yes, there are restrictions but the churches work around them.

Post 22 is stating the situation in the worst possible light. But, in my experience it isn’t like that in actual practice.

Some government offials do attend church. Former president Zhang Zamin’s wife was (is) a fairly devoted Chinese Catholic. He attended at least one Christmas eve service. My academic advisor, was a party member, and big wig in the Ministry of Education. He came to weekly Bible studies in our home.

It isn’t like say North Korea.


28 posted on 04/15/2025 7:28:37 PM PDT by Fai Mao ( All Democrats need to go to prison.)
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To: Fai Mao; daniel1212

I’ve never run into to anyone like you, you are describing an anti-Christian nightmare as though it is normal.

Fake bibles, fake Christian churches, a government wife that attended a fake Catholic church, all versions created or approved by the atheist godless communists to fill the space.

This is the worst nightmare Christians have ever faced, a simulation formed by the godless commies to prevent Christianity from reaching its subjects and future generations, not by fighting them directly, but by absorbing them into a simulation of Christianity, this contamination not only affects that large portion of the world’s population but will spread outside of China, a new theology from the Red Chinese government.


29 posted on 04/15/2025 7:42:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

The Churches aren’t fake. They have better Theology than many mainline Protestant and Catholic churches in the US and Europe. The translation of the Bible is a faithful one done, I believe, by missionaries in the 19th century.

China has, I believe, transitioned from the Maoist/communist into a sort of oligarchical dictatorship. They still call themselves “Communist” for “Face” issues, but don’t do anything Communist are supposed to do. They have a regulated market economy not a demand economy, nonsocialist healthcare, and encourage entrepreneurs. They don’t have socialist housing, they allow private property. All it takes to see this is true is to go into a grocery store in China. They aren’t like the pictures from the USSR with empty shelves and rationing.

Is it a perfect place? No, it isn’t. But religiously it isn’t much, if any worse than Germany, or the UK and a good deal better than ANY Muslim country.

Is the Chinese Catholic Church any faker than the Antichrist heretic who is currently in Rome? No, it considerably more “Catholic” and traditional than the RC church. Pedo priest executed in China, no moved to another Parrish. Yeah, the truth hurts.

The church in China is growing and thriving. The Church in Western countries is dieing. that is simply the terrible truth.

None of this detracts from the fact that China is pursuing an aggressive and brutal foreign policy. They have no qualms about cheating and bullying other nations like the Philippines. The legal system assumes guilt. The government is riddled with corruption. All of these are bad things.


30 posted on 04/15/2025 8:24:39 PM PDT by Fai Mao ( All Democrats need to go to prison.)
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To: Rev M. Bresciani

bkmk


31 posted on 04/16/2025 4:50:00 AM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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To: daniel1212

Several of the things you state are true. But not all. China offers no panacea for devotees of any faith. But neither constant vitriol nor unfounded exaggeration toward China will make things better. Chinese life and society are complicated often difficult for outsiders to sort out and understand. Yet it remains a great nation, worthy of both critique and respect. She is capable of social change, but not always on the speedy timetables of outsiders. Christianity and other faiths are alive in China. I have attended Christian services with more than a hundred people.m, though perhaps not as fundamentalist as some would like.

I also note news today of restrictions placed on Christians in the UK.


32 posted on 04/16/2025 7:09:34 AM PDT by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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To: Chengdu54

Yet https://www.persecution.org/2025/04/04/china-moves-to-formally-ban-missionary-activity/


33 posted on 04/17/2025 1:33:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Rev M. Bresciani

No, and not a single one was listed in the introductory paragraph ...


34 posted on 04/17/2025 1:46:07 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Fai Mao; Chengdu54

Another thread you can spread Communist China’s message of Christian faith in.

China Expels Missionaries, Treating Christianity As Existential Threat To Totalitarianism
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4312316/posts


35 posted on 04/21/2025 7:34:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

“Another thread you can spread Communist China’s message of Christian faith in.”

Thanks so much. I’ll have to clear it with my party leaders first.
Now, as I described previously, proselytizing Christianity is not tolerated in China. But China is far more friendly to Christianity than Saudi Arabia - pretty sure they’d have executed the missionaries.
But I guess it’s safer to err on the side of hate, right?


36 posted on 04/21/2025 3:08:27 PM PDT by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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To: Chengdu54

“”””But China is far more friendly to Christianity than Saudi Arabia””””

Huh? That is your defense for Communist China’s war against Christianity?


37 posted on 04/21/2025 3:31:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

It’s called “an example” for all to consider. Not intended to reach the brains of China haters.


38 posted on 04/21/2025 3:37:35 PM PDT by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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To: Chengdu54

Wow, I guess you won’t be enlisting anytime soon, at least not in the forces trying to protect the world from the Communist Chinese dictatorship.


39 posted on 04/21/2025 3:43:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

“Wow, I guess you won’t be enlisting anytime soon, at least not in the forces trying to protect the world from the Communist Chinese dictatorship.“

Nope. Never. I’m a peaceful guy, not a warmonger. I’m all on board for peace and understanding between America and China. Im far from being a communist, but I love it when China haters call me one.


40 posted on 04/21/2025 3:49:35 PM PDT by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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