DiogenesLamp: "That is an irrelevant argument.
Whether they were used in those days or not, in the modern understanding of those words, Lincoln and everyone else were "Racists" and "White Supremacists." "
Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables":
Sure, but you yourself can easily see how ridiculous your argument is if you simply realize that according to Hillary's Progressive Woke Democrats' political agenda, every one of us is "racist", "white supremacist", "sexist", "misogynist", "homophobe", "Islamophobe", "trans-phobic", plus, in Hillary's words, "you name it".
Surely you understand how ridiculous it is to make such claims against us, based on standards that nobody here recognizes as legitimate?
The same applies to Lincoln and all of those of his era.
You simply cannot go back in time to impose our standards, much less Hillary's Progressive "woke" standards, on historical figures.
No human being could pass such tests.
DiogenesLamp: "What was discussed were various plans for keeping the whites and the blacks separate.
Lincoln had numerous discussions on methods to get the blacks out of the country.
He even implemented some of the plans to do it, which turned out to be a disaster for all involved.
I think it was attempted on the Mosquito Coast of South America.
The vast majority died."
Sure, because it was logically assumed that, since Africans were kidnapped from their homes they would want to return, if not directly to Africa, then to somewhere similar in climate.
Today, around 150,000 Liberians (Africa) trace their ancestry to the tens of thousands of "recolonized" freed American slaves.
Yes, it's true that large numbers died within a few years after reaching their new "homeland", but that was also true of early European settlers at Jamestown, Plymouth & other early colonies.
Also, not all of those freed-slaves were young and healthy.
At least some were old and nearing the ends of their natural lives anyway.
Finally, all of the freed-slaves "recolonized" to Africa and elsewhere were volunteers, and could have chosen not to go.
DiogenesLamp: "According to Union General Benjamin Butler, the very day Lincoln was assassinated, he was discussing another plan to get blacks out of the country."
First, I don't believe Butler on this.
Second, the American Colonization Society (ACS) did not disband until 1964.
So, numbers of African Americans recolonizing to Liberia continued well after the Civil War and into the late 19th century.
Even today, there are hundreds of thousands of African American expatriates in countries around the world, tens of thousands of those in various African countries such as Liberia, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa and Senegal.
Every year some thousands of African American expatriates pass away naturally in their new homes abroad.
My point is simply that none of this has anything to do with Lincoln or "racism" or "forced deportations".
All of it is voluntary and for reasons that are likely quite similar to those of some 9 million total US expatriates abroad.
quoting BJK: "By 1865, Lincoln had come to support not only abolition but also full citizenship for freed slaves."
DiogenesLamp: "Because they were guaranteed to vote for him and his party.
This was just a cynical political usage of them.
They were useful to him, but in reality, he wanted them out of the country."
The Confederate view of "Ape" Lincoln in 1863:
Do you realize how insane you sound??
First you condemn Lincoln for encouraging freed-slaves to settle overseas.
Then you condemn Lincoln for trying to make freed-slaves lives better here in the US.
That means your brain is literally fried in anti-Lincoln b*ll sh*t, and you just can't break free of it, any more than Democrats today can shed their TDS -- Trump Derangement Syndrome.
You have LDS -- no, not Latter Day Saints, Lincoln Derangement Syndrome.
DiogenesLamp: "You know i'm right about this, you just hate to admit it."
You know you can't stop babbling anti-Lincoln nonsense.
I think its a form of mental illness, similar to TDS, but I've never figured out how a normal person -- meaning somebody who wasn't born into it -- can get such a disease.