Posted on 04/08/2025 7:16:30 AM PDT by RandFan
You got me wrong. I hope it works out. Donald is certainly playing it cool
President Trump threatening to increase tariffs tomorrow for the PRC seems to be a sign of weakness from my perspective. If PRC holds firm and I think that has to be considered the default at this point, what's next?
There may be some face-saving negotiations taking place so both sides can claim victory. Navarro however, is an ignorant goof whose ability to put his foot in his mouth at an inopportune time cannot be underestimated.
I fervently disagree. Get the votes to the floor, and show the voters what the Democrats will oppose and reject. Make the next 18 months all about showing the electorate what the Dems are for and against. Make 2026 a massive blowout, and then gain the majority's needed to get the agenda passed.
Also, simply accepting a unanimous Democrat vote on every bill is moronic and cowardly and ridiculous. Do what the Dems do: cajole, shame, deal, and threaten bad publicity to every individual Rep, until a few break (especially the purple district folks).
Instead of rolling over and enforcing their own impotence, they should be fighting, daily. Period. It is their ONLY job!!!
It will mean manufacturing moves somewhere else (if this persists) and in the short term some products get expensive, or there may even be shortages, as this transition occurs.
We should have NEVER used an adversary (Korea, Vietnam), single party communist regime, atheist, non-judea Christian nor European philosophical values as our manufacturing base. We may as well promote US manufacturing to go to Iran today. That would be just as crazy.
This is a case where ridiculously cheap labor, tax, environmental, labor law and occupational safety avoidance, led greedy US corporations to push US politicians (whores for sale to the highest bidder) to back policies that allowed this to happen. The American public was force fed BS about how they will benefit (as they lose jobs and see true net wealth decline), and stupid ideas like how this will create “world peace” were even pushed as selling points: https://a.co/d/e5l6hPS
Quote: “The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.”
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/
“”How can they save face? I dont see them backing down.””
They are pragmatic, proud and arrogant. But in the end, they’ll figure a way to make it ‘look like’ Trump gave in and gave them what they wanted in the final “”deal””. Optics is everything to the left.
~15% of iPhone production is now in India.
We have lower prices already. Inflation is down already.
Waiting would have sacrificed the element of surprise and the advantages of forward momentum. The deep state needed to be taken off guard and overwhelmed with a rapid fire attack on many fronts.
If looking at the past 50 years teaches everything it teaches that measured, reasonable and bipartisan accomplishes nothing but destroying the Country.
“You got me wrong.”
I’ve always liked you, but you sound suicidal and beaten lately. Hope you get your mojo back.
All 'isms except for nationalism are evil.
“I believe that USA sales to China are 3.6%? Is that correct? WHO gets hurt?”
Ultimately who is stronger, the country who makes everything, or the country in debt who lives on credit?
I have not seen anything from the House in particular that makes me think this will occur.
Never forget that the STATED purpose of the tariffs is to relocate industry back to the US, where is belongs as we always made stuff better. More expensive, but since when does quality not cost more?
What is the status of appliances last couple of decades? Fridges, washers, etc. 2-3 years at best even if you spend the most. And, all sorts of taped on crappola that is a source of failure — like connecting to the WWW.
Who has an appliance that is simple and just ruuuuuuuns? I do. And, they run for years. Wanna guess where they were sourced and built?
“You fail to understand that the CCP does not care one whit about the Chinese people, or even the Chinese economy.”
The acquisition and maintenance of power isn’t disconnected from economic realities. I agree, the CCP doesn’t place any value on it’s drones, and will manipulate the economy as much as possible. However, if the CCP can’t sell cheap crap to us, eventually there will be very little they can do to prop up their economy. As far as I can see, the Chinese people have improved their lifestyle, and have middle class style expectations. If the Chinese economy contracts, and citizens are left without enough money or food, the CCP’s power is in danger.
If the CCP cuts a deal after a certain period of time, (enough time to look like they are the ones in control), and declare victory, it’s a win for them.
Much of what is made in China, and even much of what we think is made in China, is or could as easily be made or assembled in Vietnam or Singapore.
Amazon.com will be the hardest hit. Wow, they sell nothing there now but Chinese crap.
He’s displaying the inherent flaw in libertarian thinking. He’s right about a few things and wildly wrong about others. That inconsistency is why libertarians marginalize themselves
I spoke to someone before we briefly mentioned tariffs and i remarked how cool Trump was playing it. The guy said China is in big trouble if they dont back down here considering THEIR markets.
So you know, it could work out for the better. I sincerely hope it does
When it comes to the true and bigger issues, both parties are in agreement, hence uni-party.
Who supported China having most favored trade and WTO membership?
Bush H.
Clinton
Bush W.
Obama
Biden
Both when the Republicans or Democrats had the majority, they favored China having most favored trade status and WTO membership when that was up for grabs.
Trump is an anomaly.
There are several of these types of issues: China and Saudi Arabia are just two apparent examples.
Politicians and the political parties need money. Those with the money have the real and final say. That is why Disney can change US copyright laws: https://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/mickey/#:~:text=It%20was%20initially%20set%20to%20enter%20the,people%20call%20the%20%E2%80%9CMickey%20Mouse%20Protection%20Act%E2%80%9D).
That is why big pharma is untouchable regards liability with vaccines... That is why every BS is made into a REQUIRED vaccine today for kids to go to public school: https://www.texastribune.org/2011/08/15/facing-new-scrutiny-perry-walks-back-hpv-decision/
The US is an oligarchy. Yes we have elections, but those aren’t entirely legit, and the people largely get told what to think: the oligarchs own the MSM, social media, or it is beholden to them (advertising money): https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
In MOST cases (60-70%) where the majority public opinion diverges from that of the oligarchs, our political apparatus sides with the minority opinion of the oligarchs. So who really has the power?
HAD the power. They have lost their momentum.
I have begun to think the same.
They sold it to us as a great thing for everyone. But it has really just created a greater wealth division (more super rich and more poor: example Bezos) as those jobs that created the middle class in manufacturing were lost.
It does not create peace, but instead has made China into a military and economic peer that we can’t contain.
It does not make our cities more safe and clean.
It hasn’t helped our social services that are over burdened.
It hasn’t brought democracy anywhere, another BS argument that was used to sell this globalist crap that was all really just about “greed.”
Trade is good, but it needs to be fair, AND it needs to be with people that don’t want to cut out heads off.
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