To your posts # 299, 300, and 301:
>"Many conservatives yearn for the 1950s."<
I wasn't alive in the 1950s, but we agree on the following point:
>"TRUE dating should always be a short, deliberate, and mindful process whose ultimate goal is to STOP DATING"<
I would like the word dating to return to its original meaning: If a man asks a woman to date, he should mean dinner and a movie, or simply spending quality time together, with no other 'expectations' (if you get my drift). Unfortunately, since I was young, more and more people have been using the word date to mean something entirely different.
However, I know of many young couples (in their 20s now) who dated with respect for each other before marrying. So, I do not make assumptions about people who say they are dating. The woman in the video used the term relationship, but I will not make assumptions about her, either.
I don't understand what people want this woman to say. Do you think a single mom should have low standards? Should she sleep around with lowlifes who use her and dump her? Should she parade men in and out of her child's life? Or, maybe she should not date at all? I would say she should not date if dating means 'adding to her body count' or bringing strangers around her child.
However, I spent much time for many years around a large number of Christian families. A small number of the men and women had had children with other people - a few out of wedlock - before marrying and raising another family. Some other people lived a wild life in their younger years and settled down later. Many people make mistakes and then wise up later. People are imperfect. So, men and women can and do learn from their past and turn their lives around.
>"The . . . men who have been struggling through their 20s are now understandably loathe to "bail them out."<
Perfectly understandable. Notice that I never said men should be expected to bail out women. I never said men (or women) should or should not date or marry a single parent. People make their own choices.
>"(This fault of female psychology is now even amplified by the current "You're a QUEEN" meme.)"<
And men are referred to as "kings" now.
>"The top 90% of all women (in the relevant age bracket) and the top 10% of all men have all the power. They establish the "rules of the game." They determine who gets to play."<
Yes, a relatively small percentage of men 'date' a larger percentage of young women. So, then, you agree with me that most young women have many options. Furthermore, both young men and older men chase young women. So, young men are competing with a large number of men over a young woman. So, we agree on that point.
>"- Mr. Kevin Samuels<"
I found some information about Mr. Samuels. I hope young men aren't following advice from a man who was married and divorced twice and continued to sleep around up to his death. It would be like following the advice of Hugh Hefner. No wonder so many young men are cynical and they can't find a date.
>feminism + liberalism + the Nanny State + the generally gynocentric culture (Oprah) have convinced ALL of these women that "they are the PRIZE."<
I never hear women talk that way in Real Life. I have a large extended family, and we were associated with a large Christian community for many years, and NONE of the women talked that way. Again, many of the young women married in their 20s, and they are raising their own families now. You mentioned the 'black population.' I knew many churchgoing black families who raised their kids with good, solid values.
I know that many young men are not marrying or even dating, but many factors are at play. One is the economy. Young men need more job opportunities. Some young men today do not seem interested in dating, probably because they still live 'at home.' At the same time, the young men who want to date are searching in the wrong places.
Many young women don't date, either. They might have options, but they are waiting for a man who wants to commit, which many young men don't want to do. One theory is that young men are not ready to marry, until they reach their late 20s, and then the young man will marry the woman he is dating at the time.
And then nothing is guaranteed. Some people pretend to be 'good,' but they have dark secrets. I have sat and listened to some beautiful young Christian women cry because their 'Christian' husbands cheat on them, and many young women say their husbands are addicted to porn - which is a big problem.
Thank you for your words of wisdom on this subject.
Except that radical feminism is wrong / evil!
Are you going to force me to justify that assertion?! Okay...
Except that the radical feminists push abortion on demand, free sex, homosexuality, genital mutilation, Drag Queen Storytime at children's libraries, "From the River to the Sea," submission to Islam, etc. Except that the radical feminists have been undermined by marxists and are freq. working in league with BLM, etc.
Need I go on?
The "manosphere" is a very broad phenomenon, and includes grifters touting "sure-fire" strategies to "game" and bed as many women as possible, incels / sore-losers who want only to sit around and sulk and lament, assorted women-haters, closeted gays, etc.
And they have almost no political power. Not even "soft" power. They are not invited onto afternoon talk shows to disseminate their wisdom - except in rare instances when they are forced to face a hostile audience and a panel of enraged feminists to shout them down.
They organize no marches, do not lobby for legislation, etc.
They are a very mixed bag (see my post #227 above). However, if one is selective and discerning, one can find a lot of real gems dispensing valuable insights among them.
The woman in the video used the term relationship, but I will not make assumptions about her, either.
You are being far too forbearing!
Watch a thousand YouTube clips and TikToks - uploaded by the women, themselves! - and you'll see that she falls into the all-too-familiar pattern of self-entitled baby-momma expecting to be rescued. I agree that a Martian viewing YouTube videos for the first time might not see anything worthy of criticism - but please use your commonsense!
Would you want one of your boys to date this woman? I wouldn't! In fact, I'd exhort them to cross to the other side of the street if they saw her coming!
You and I are in the same age cohort, and have a broadly similar life experience (married to the same person for decades; children), so I can only assume that you are willfully turning a blind eye to all the signs that this woman is trash.
I don't understand what people want this woman to say. Do you think a single mom should have low standards? Should she sleep around with lowlifes who use her and dump her? Should she parade men in and out of her child's life?
Please quit "strawmanning" me! You know that we conservative FReepers would never counsel her to do any of those things!
Or, maybe she should not date at all? I would say she should not date if dating means 'adding to her body count' or bringing strangers around her child.
Bingo!
The obvious solution that 99% of all FReepers would heartily endorse from the get-go! (Why bother even mentioning all those other absurd proposals?!)
This woman should "get thee to a nunnery!" and come to terms with the fact that she will have to spend the rest of her life in drudgery, slaving to pay for her child, with no prospect of a man swooping down to rescue her.
If she were to adopt that mindset, maybe - just maybe some kind-hearted man 25 years her senior, with a modest pension or disability payment, might wife her up.
In the olden days, he could have been sure that she would be immensely grateful for that. He could have been sure that the close-knit community in which they lived would keep an eye on her, and ensure - though social pressure - that she continued to "fly right."
But in today's world? A man would have to be crazy to get anywhere near a tatted-up, self-entitled baby-mamma like that.
I found some information about Mr. Samuels. I hope young men aren't following advice from a man who was married and divorced twice and continued to sleep around up to his death.
Please watch a dozen or so of his shows and form your own opinion!
Warning: You'll probably get hooked!
However, I spent much time for many years around a large number of Christian families. A small number of the men and women had had children with other people - a few out of wedlock - before marrying and raising another family. Some other people lived a wild life in their younger years and settled down later. Many people make mistakes and then wise up later. People are imperfect. So, men and women can and do learn from their past and turn their lives around.
Yes, that is possible - in a tightly-knit Christian community. But please don't generalize! Except in such unusual circumstances, that strategy won't fly!
We have to first fix a number of basic societal flaws (divorce laws) and the fundamentally distorted mindset of society at large before advocating your approach!
Exercise is good! But you shouldn't advise someone suffering from Double Pneumonia to run a marathon!
And men are referred to as "kings" now.
That term ("kings") is used sarcastically. Likewise "Drizzle-drizzle."
Most men learn early in life that the only worth they have (to women; to society at large) is the value they accrue - through hard work, discipline, and patience. Any young man with an overinflated self-worth will be quickly disabused of that false mindset by reality.
Women begin (dating) life on "easy mode." That warps their perception of reality as a whole. They aren't generally "cured" of that until they reach the "Epiphany Stage." But even then, many choose instead to deny reality and insist that their (sexual market) value has only increased.
Regards,