Posted on 01/29/2025 6:01:18 AM PST by delta7
It was only a matter of time before an innovative mind created the next mainstream AI tool to compete with ChatGPT. In a massive step toward AI advancement, Liang Wenfeng of China launched DeepSeek, an open-source large language models (LLM) intended to compete if not one day overshadow ChatGPT. The launch immediately wiped $1 trillion off the US stock exchange and the tech competition between China and the US is coming to a head.
ChatGPT is run by OpenAI. Its creation marked the dawn of a new way of interacting with the internet and accessing information. Users can ask AI to instantaneously perform actions and it is reshaping the way the world operated. People have created businesses based on ChatGPT.
There have been countless warnings of AI replacing human jobs. Governments are still uncertain how to regulate these services and the data they pull from users. Of course, countless services like ChatGPT have launched in recent years, but DeepSeek may be the next best alternative.
Wenfeng hired all the top minds graduating from Chinese universities and paid them top dollar to create DeepSeek for a fraction of what it took to create ChatGPT. OpenAI’s GPT-4, launched in 2023, cost $100 million to develop; DeepSeek-R1 began with a $6 million investment.
ChatGPT write own code
Semiconductor chips are shaping the tech race. It takes semiconductor chips to operate these AI programs and that has been an ongoing problem for American companies. Chinese companies do not have such problems.
There is much speculation that ChatGPT did not require the estimated 10,000 GPUs and 3,500 NVIDIA servers. Nonetheless, DeepSeek is operating on less. Now, DeepSeek has around 50,000 NVIDIA H100 chips but they cannot speak about the matter due to US export controls.
President Trump stated that DeepSeek is a reminder that American companies need to be “laser focused” on competing with China. Everyone is impressed at the low operating costs. “Instead of spending billions and billions, you’ll spend less, and you’ll come up with, hopefully, the same solution,” Trump noted. Some US politicians are already calling for a ban. “The U.S. cannot allow CCP models such as DeepSeek to risk our national security and leverage our technology to advance their AI ambitions.
We must work to swiftly place stronger export controls on technologies critical to DeepSeek’s AI infrastructure,” Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Mich., the chair of the House Select Committee on China, said Monday.
Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co., Ltd, owned and funded by hedge fund High-Flyer has inserted $2 trillion into the US markets at the time of this writing. Critics claim that DeepSeek censors available information based on what the CCP will and will not permit. Still, investors seem extremely bullish on DeepSeek, which has already surpassed ChatGPT as the most downloaded AI app on the Apple app store.
That explains why she is constantly stares into space...
Martin Arthur Armstrong is an American self-taught economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators. Wikipedia
There is also another Chinese LLM it’s competing with, Alibaba’s Qwen.
Thanks!
Martin is generally a pretty smart guy, but smart people can sometimes be awfully wrong.
When smart people make mistakes, they can be big mistakes since smart people like to concern themselves with big issues.
The people working on AI advances often are doing so quietly as to build up strong positioning.
This is the charging document in the $700 million case:
https://www.justice.gov/archive/dag/cftf/chargingdocs/armstrongsuper.pdf
An AI response might list Armstrong along with Bernie Madoff.
“Armstrong started Armstrong Economics in 2007 while he was still in prison. Inspired by letters he was receiving, Armstrong began producing research reports. He relied mainly on the Financial Times for information.”
https://www.desmog.com/martin-armstrong/
Martin is generally a pretty smart guy, but smart people can sometimes be awfully wrong.Perhaps street smart. But to write about a computing subject with zero computing knowledge while at the same time claiming to be a computer expert is not only not smart, it is complete fraud.
There is a major concern here, even with it being Open Source. And that comes down to the DeepSeek terms of service.
Under the TOS and Privacy Policy, they “may” collect data, audio, text messages, files, etc. and secure it on CCP servers. User Input. When you use our Services, we may collect your text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that you provide to our model and Services.https://chat.deepseek.com/downloads/DeepSeek%20Privacy%20Policy.html
Armstrong is a legendary economic and software expert. His legendary MSDOS based Socrates program led him to three bankruptsies and eleven years in jail after losing $700,000,000 of his clients’ finds in bad trades.
“Yet he claims that he himself has created the only functioning AI world wide “Socrates”, running on his super computer .”
It is an amazing piece of programming! It runs in MSDOS and only requires an 8086 Intel processor.
No wonder they US government wanted it.
If only he had marketed his software talents he might not have gone bankrupt three times and spent eleven years in jail for securities fraud.
IATG
“Martin is generally a pretty smart guy, but smart people can sometimes be awfully wrong.”
Armstrong has finally found his calling. Scamming suckers.
In every other endeavor he has failed.
TxGator makes claims, but never posts references….often misquoting ( a comprehension problem), easy and fun to play with.
I have yet to see him post news articles, blurting out only his “opinions” ( which no one cares about) seems to take precedence. I use the Ignore button.
“TxGator makes claims, but never posts references…”
You have never refuted any of my posts so you must agree with them.
Oops. You did disagree with me once when I said you agreed that a US civil war would start the week of Trump’s inauguration.
You went silent when I put up your post where you stated you agreed with Armstrong on the start of a US civil war and the US breaking into four new countries in 2026.
Open Source doesn’t refer to services, but the source code for the application. I have a feeling that Open Source in China is a different beast than here in the US. What is quoted here seems to be saying they can use your data anyway they see fit, which almost exactly the same as what Google says.
Your link:
“I observed that the financial panics, from 1683 to 1907, were separated by an average of 3,141 days (8.6 years), the number pi multiplied by a thousand. And so my code emerged, which not only predicts the fall of economies, it also predicts wars and political changes.”
He read a newspaper article and had an Eienstein moment. All the universe is ruled by Pi.
From your link.
Armstrong: “it also predicts wars and political changes.”
His predictions:
Last July he predicted US cIvil unrest/WAR to happen just before the 2024 elections.
Last November you predicted a US civil war would happen the week of Trump’s inauguration with the US breaking up into four new countries in 2026.
Last December he said via Socrates that the 2024 elections would be the last in the US.
This January he predicted US civil unrest on May 7.
This week he has predicted WWIII happening in 2028.
“DeepSeek, which has already surpassed ChatGPT as the most downloaded AI app on the Apple app store.”
DeepSeek has less total downloads than ChatGPT has each month.
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