Posted on 01/26/2025 7:52:22 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Better leave than wait out the clock. Aspirational workers beware, staying at one company won't get you out of a dead-end role. Gen Zers might be on the right track, as job-hopping is shaping up to be the solution to the workplace blues.
Young workers are especially likely to quit a job as a way of getting ahead early on in their careers. Most (83%) consider themselves to be job-hoppers, according to a report from ResumeLab—and they're onto something.
New research reveals that sticking to one boss and one company doesn’t always lead to success these days, as workers have found out the hard way that the contract between employer and employee has been severed in the 21st century. No
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In the worst cases, I've seen key positions sit vacant for six months to a year and a half because no one on the outside wanted to join and everyone on the inside knew a manager or director was a complete a-hole and wouldn't work in their division.
I've seen delusional bosses try that. I watched quite a few times where the lower position employee had applied for the higher position, didn't get it, but was then expected to train their boss. It never went well. The subordinate usually left in a matter of weeks. The new employee in the higher position would often get unofficially demoted into a partial role, and everyone else got burdened with picking up the slack.
In a way if you don’t job hop without promotion it shows you lack ambition and initiative.
Larger companies are often a good place to start if the individual wants to see different lines of business. I've worked with outstanding individuals who ended up working in a business line they never would have realized if they didn't start in a large company.
Large companies are also good for learning how to work with different, sometimes opposing, divisions. Small companies rarely have that - everyone is working toward the same goal.
Small companies are often great at one thing which also means you don't want to join unless that same thing is what you want to do. Knowing what you want to do that definitely is not common for people just starting out.
Loyalty is a masculine trait, not a feminine one... and most Human Resource teams are comprised of women.
Everything has pros and cons, you make good points. But if you work for a large company and expect loyalty there may be a disconnect.
A wise source once told me you are personal services incorporated. Meaning you are self employed even though you work for someone.
HR people are idiots. The individual line departments should be determining the promotions.
Similar path with me. Doubled my salary by moving to a new company for an IT job.
There is something about a shiny new toy. Seen it happen a lot.
I have seen a movement toward teams in college and business. I figure it is a way to equalize performance, and they can meat diversity goals.
Diversity goals have existed back to 79. A female, in a male dominated field, received a 20% higher offer than males at her same level. That was just the way it was.
Many new hires/new “workers” are too lazy to actually work on their career. They want it handed to them.
In every role (yes, every) I have had to train my boss.
And yes, I often moved on.
But from the HR view, that works. I was a valuable employee in my current role, trained the new boss on that and their role, and then moved on so they can hire a new and cheaper person to be trained by the new boss.
Again, I was explicitly told this. Shortly before I left that company.
Did one of your peers apply for the job and not get it?
“Shaping up” that’s always been the way. You’ll always get a better raise, and easier path to a higher title jumping company, or a different department in the same company. It’s getting more so now that companies all seem to think a 2% raise is a lot. But even in decades past, it would generally take you 5 years to get from a 1 to a 2 in the company, but you can usually get hired as a 2 with 3 years experience. The hop has always been better if you’re chasing titles and money.
Depends on the type of work, With some, success and retirement. With others career death and no one wants to even talk to you.
Applied and then outside twice. Once a peer applied then outside
It's not about loyalty or entitlement, it's about recognizing that you took enough time and effort to know how to do your boss's job. The company sent a clear message to all employees that such behavior is a negative, not a positive. Why learn someone else's job if it's only going to be used against you?
I work with a company that hired a senior professional in from the outside instead of hiring from within. Within a few months two others who had applied for that position exited the company and then, not surprisingly, the company couldn't get anyone to pick up their bosses' work with the false carrot of maybe someday getting promoted. For the first time ever, I saw employees depart in pairs, where they said to each other, "If you go, I go, because I'm not going to have all this get dumped on my desk."
Not surprisingly, the senior professional left the company after a few years and the company has had a bear of a time filling positions from internally or externally. Those they do get to fill positions are openly mercenary. They don't even pretend it's about anything except the money.
So many employees get jerked around forever with these antics so that even if they don’t leave they have zero ownership of anything and act only in their own best interest. Those companies are always on a slow spiral to extinction.
On the other hand I have worked a few places with excellent management. Their you pretty much have to force people to go home at night. A lot never gets to the point of being a real problem because those employees don’t let it.
One was mad I changed the process so much the company made a lot more money, but disrupted the supply chain. Another told me I was “to valuable” to promote but by current pay grade had maxed out, so I “owed” them to train my bosses.
Both were shocked when I left. One tried to guilt me with “X (new boss) is going to fail if you leave, and don’t you owe it to women to stay and make her succeed?”
Even said boss thought that was stupid. She left a year later when she realized she couldn’t do hack it.
That guilt shaming, saying you owed them to train your boss and the other nonsense about owing women something to make them succeed, is part of the sick programming employees have been facing for a century. Scott Adams made a fortune exposing it. I'm still shocked in the corporate world how many people haven't read his books (not just the cartoon ones).
Just tell them that you are a red-dot.
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