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excerpt of a of larger article, about need for philosophical input. As usual, I do not post these as signifying concurrence with the web site or all the the sources believe, any more than the apostle Paul was in quoting a truth from a pagan poet, but these serve to provide substance for at least a First Cause, against the premise behind the the faith of atheists.

Which is that an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered, intricate universe, exquisitely finely tuned for corporeal earthly life with its extensive diversity and astounding complexity *, came to be by known (or potentially known), purely natural demonstrable powers, as if it was Divine, without any supreme supernatural intelligence behind the creation, organization and programming. of this universe.

I plan to post more of these, though as with the testimony threads I began to post, I do not have the time and energy or knowledge to respond much at all.

1 posted on 01/09/2025 9:54:59 AM PST by daniel1212
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Ping!


2 posted on 01/09/2025 9:56:15 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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If it (the universe) weren't fine-tuned for life, then we would hardly be here to lament the fact. There is no reason to "marvel" at the fine-tuning of the universe; to observe that the universe in which we live support life (and hence observation) is a mere tautology. Of course it does!

The Anthropic Principle explains the absurdity of the notion that we can infer anything (e.g., "Intelligent Design") from this fine-tuning.

Regards,

3 posted on 01/09/2025 10:16:15 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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For many years, scientific philosophy as practised by scientists has languished, punctuated only by lapses such as the Sokal hoax, when NYU physicist Alan Sokal wrote a tongue-in-cheek article with a lot of scientific nonsense that was accepted by a leading journal in the postmodern science studies field (and launched a cottage industry of similar hoaxes).

So much for "peer review."

Wiley shuts down 19 science journals and retracts 11,000 gobbledygook papers
https://joannenova.com.au/2024/05/so-much-for-peer-review-wiley-shuts-down-19-science-journals-and-retracts-11000-fraudulent-or-gobblygook-papers/

Beware those scientific studies—most are wrong, researcher warns
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-beware-scientific-studiesmost-wrong.html

The goal of modern "science" is grant money, not truth.

4 posted on 01/09/2025 10:17:12 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”


5 posted on 01/09/2025 11:03:36 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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There was a time when humans thought our Milky Way galaxy was the entire universe. Some of those weird, diffuse smudges we saw with rudimentary telescopes were actually other galaxies.

As the telescopes improved, we began to collect images of amazing galaxies, of all shapes and sizes. There are even images of galaxies that are, or have, collided with each other.

When a Hubble astronomer decided to take long look (photo exposure over time) at a very small, but ‘empty’ part of the night sky, the result changed everything. Before this Hubble Deep Field Image, we estimated there were about 200 million galaxies in the known universe. When we let Hubble view this tiny, ‘empty’ spot, thousands and thousands of galaxies were revealed. After the Deep Field revelations, we now estimate there may be 2 trillion galaxies.

Recently, the James Webb telescope reaches even further into the universe. They are finding galaxies that ‘shouldn’t exist’ that do not go along with what is/was the current theory. Before Webb, they estimated the age of the universe at 14-15 billion years old. Since Webb is peering ever deeper, our estimates of size and age of the known universe will change. I love putting the adjective ‘known’ before universe. We use the gifts God gave us to explore and theorize. We now know that what Hubble gave us as the known universe is not everything. Webb will peer further and further. What is beyond the limit that Webb can detect? We shall see. Webb is an Infrared telescope. Cosmic shhhtuff that might not be visible to our eyes is found with Webb.

Quite a bit of what ‘science’ has brought us makes sense in explaining some of what is around us. Properties of gravity, light, the physical universe around us, and how it operates.

There is also quite a bit of science that is hypothesis, educated guessing, etc.

Some famous person once said “the beginning of wisdom is the ability to say “I don’t know.”

There is much that we are certain about. There is much, much more that we do not know. Part of the joy of real science is using God’s gifts to explore.


6 posted on 01/09/2025 11:08:07 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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Reading something like this, I am reminded of Francis Schaeffer’s stair-step process of how everything starts with philosophy, science, Music and Cinema, politics, popular culture, and theology.


7 posted on 01/09/2025 11:22:46 AM PST by Fai Mao (The US government is run by pedophiles and Perverts for pedophiles and perverts.)
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