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1 posted on 01/02/2025 6:49:52 AM PST by MtnClimber
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When you waste money on DEI you have to cut corners elsewhere.


2 posted on 01/02/2025 6:50:05 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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“Boeing - The Flying Sh—hole”


3 posted on 01/02/2025 6:54:36 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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“MCAS, heralded as a pioneering advancement in aviation safety, was meticulously designed to avert potential stalls during flights. “

Funny, my military flight training did a superb job of teaching us how to recognize and recover from stalls. Remember that Airbus coming from South America that crashed due to a defected software controlled stall warning system. The pilot was trained to believe the software.


4 posted on 01/02/2025 6:56:21 AM PST by Da Coyote (H)
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a clown company that cannot even get astronauts
backs STRANDED in space from helium leaks
which the clown company IGNORED, and IGNORED.


5 posted on 01/02/2025 6:59:04 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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"the workforce engaged by Boeing for this pivotal task was comprised of low-paid professionals."

Computer programs almost never work as intended. There are always bugs. You have to wonder how much corner cutting they did on system testing as well.
6 posted on 01/02/2025 6:59:36 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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"In conclusion, the revelation of Boeing’s choice to outsource critical software development tasks to a contingent of low-paid workers and recent graduates opens a window into the complex world of aerospace engineering."

Subtext (imho): the corporate practice of the last 30 years of having offshore outfits "do the work" and then having an onshore talent fix all the screwups before production time didn't happen in this instance, and people died because of it.

10 posted on 01/02/2025 7:09:22 AM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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I posed the question prior in another thread last week:

Who’s dumb enough to still own boeing stock? [rhetorical]


11 posted on 01/02/2025 7:09:55 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.


12 posted on 01/02/2025 7:10:18 AM PST by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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It shouldn’t matter if the Indians initially programmed crap because testing including in-flight testing would eliminate the crap.

My recollection is that the two crashes could have been avoided if the pilots had the wits to disengage MCAS and fly the plane themselves.

The cause of the MCAS malfunction was due to a malfunctioning angle-of-attack sensor which is on the outside of the plane.

Since then the planes have been equipped with two sensors for redundancy. A second sensor was always an option. Perhaps Boeing should have made dual sensors mandatory.

If some of the above is wrong, would someone please correct me.


13 posted on 01/02/2025 7:11:50 AM PST by cymbeline
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I question the sudden hoopla of stories trying to blame the 737 Max failures on “muh H1B software people” conveniently at the same time of the H1B attacks.

The 737 Max MCAS failure was NOT a software failure. It was a design failure from the beginning because, instead of using two sensors as is normal engineering design, they went with one to cut costs and, gasp, the one sensor gave erroneous readings.

Now you can argue that the software should’ve “known” better and validated the sensor data but… validate against what?! Even a seasoned team of software engineers would’ve missed that.

Yes, we’ve got too many H1B hires in the US but with remote work of software engineers it means you don’t need H1Bs when you can just zoom with India directly.

In the meantime, forcing stories into your narrative just water downs your effort.


15 posted on 01/02/2025 7:17:24 AM PST by Skywise
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Boeing "outsourcing crucial responsibilities to a pool of temporary workers and fresh college graduates. These individuals found themselves under the employment or contract of esteemed Indian technology firms, namely HCL Technologies and Cyient Ltd."

17 posted on 01/02/2025 7:21:49 AM PST by linMcHlp
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"This strategy involved outsourcing crucial responsibilities to a pool of temporary workers and fresh college graduates."
18 posted on 01/02/2025 7:26:35 AM PST by The Duke (Not without incident.)
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It took DEI to take the world’s most reliable commercial carrier aircraft, and turn it into dangerous garbage.


20 posted on 01/02/2025 7:31:47 AM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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The Shocking Reality begins and ends with the blunt fact that Boeing 737 MAX jets in the USA, Europe, Japan, the Persian Gulf, and Can-Aus-NZ, had 60,000 flights, without one incident report, regarding the same software that allegedly caused four Muslim pilots to crash 737 MAX planes in Ethiopia and Indonesia.


22 posted on 01/02/2025 7:33:55 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost Wisc, Mich, and Penn, by 230,000 votes.)
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Go woke, go broke................


23 posted on 01/02/2025 7:35:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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The shoddy work of Musk’s H1-Bers on display.

They need to return to having qualified pilots control airliner flight.


30 posted on 01/02/2025 7:49:15 AM PST by citizen (Political incrementalism is like compound interest for liberals - every little bit adds up.)
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Regardless of the software issues, the problem goes back to management who decided it was more expedient and cheaper to install much larger engines then the original airframe had been designed to accommodate.


35 posted on 01/02/2025 7:52:39 AM PST by Mouton (A 150MT hit may not solve our problems now but is a good start. )
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The REAL reason for outsourcing the MCAST software was to keep it secret. They didn’t even inform the PILOTS who were flying the MAX that this system was even on their plane!

The whole idea was to make the new MAX fly EXACTLY like the old 737 (FAA rule) so they didn’t have to pay for flight simulator training on the MAX.

This was so MAX pilots could step right in the cockpit from their 737 and fly the MAX. (with some minor update training)

The MCAST system was not even MENTIONED in the manual.

It was “all about the Benjamins”. To not have to Pay for and making time for flight simulator training. PERIOD!


37 posted on 01/02/2025 8:02:47 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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Both stall warning sensors to feed the MCAS system was an option. By default only one provided input.


38 posted on 01/02/2025 8:03:02 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people. )
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I follow the “South Main Auto” Youtube channel. The mechanic there just encountered his 2nd Kia SUV where a failure in the backup camera rendered the cars into bricks.

This cr@p has to stop. Stop making drive systems rely on computers. Period.


46 posted on 01/02/2025 8:30:22 AM PST by nagant (PHENOMENON)
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