That is true, and, as it ferments it STRETCHES the newskins.
Posted on 01/02/2025 3:40:26 AM PST by vespa300
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Oh?
Where's the proof?
(Hee hee! See what I did there?)
Which branch?
Well, MY head is filled with all kinds of links to all kinds of scenarios, so it is understandable that many do not get where I am coming from at times.
Read on...
NASB
and *said to him, ‘Every man serves the good wine first, and when the guests are drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.’
>>>>and *said to him, ‘Every man serves the good wine first, and when the guests are drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.’>>>
I don’t think you have done much of a study on the new wine found “in the cluster” and old wine. I suggest that.
Isaiah 65:8, we read, “As the new wine is found in the cluster, And one says, ‘Do not destroy it, For a blessing is in it…’” It is clear in both these passages that the new wine is simply grape juice.
Forgot this to go with above:
Mark 2:22: “And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins” (NKJV). Obviously the new wine would be the fresh unfermented kind.
This brief study, may help you. The Bible never contradicts itself in relation to God’s commandments and laws, including strong drink. But we as humans with poor Bible scholarship and study, will attempt to do things........like make alchohol , which has destroyed countless lives, ok to drink, even in moderation.
As if children arent watching their parents........children who maybe cannot grow up to hold their alcohol as well. Moderate drinking is the college that leads to an education in drunkeness.
Every drunk started with one drink.
This may help......
Confusing Verses Clarified
The whole of Scripture is clearly and adamantly against the consumption of alcohol, but human nature will look upon any textual ambiguity as a “loophole” to justify drinking alcohol.
An example of this reasoning is the wedding in Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine. “When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom. And he said to him, ‘Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!’” (John 2:9, 10). Those who support the intake of alcohol suggest this must have been alcoholic wine—after all, it was a wedding, and every wedding has wine—right? But let’s pause to consider the implications. There were six pots for Jesus to fill, and each of those would hold 20 to 30 gallons. That’s up to 180 gallons of beverage!
Are we to believe that Jesus made 180 gallons of a destructive drug—enough to get every guest drunk and launch this new marriage with slurring lips and staggering feet? Indeed, He would have been acting against His own Word! (Habakkuk 2:15; Luke 12:46; Ephesians 5:18). If we approach this passage relying on the whole of Scripture, we must surely come to the conclusion that Jesus made unfermented wine—and the governor of the feast complimented the groom on its pure quality. (John 2:4, 6, 10. See also Mark 1:24, 2 Samuel 16:10).
Wine for the stomach?
This might help:
A Little for the Stomach?
Paul also tells Timothy to “No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities” (1 Timothy 5:23). It is assumed by many that the wine Paul recommends to Timothy is alcoholic. Yet this is a false assumption for several reasons: First, the word oinos is used, and as we’ve already learned, it can denote either fermented or unfermented grape juice. In addition, there are historical references attesting to the use of unfermented wine for medicinal purposes in the ancient world. For example, Athenaeus (AD 280) counsels to use unfermented grape juice for stomach disorders.
Timothy must also have been living as a Nazarite, drinking only water. Paul was telling him to use a little grape juice, which has a very soothing effect on the body—indicating that Timothy abstained and needed to be urged to take even a little new wine. Drinking fermented wine can contribute to stomach ulcers. Paul would never recommend old wine for stomach therapy.
Earlier in the same epistle, Paul instructs Timothy that bishops were to be abstinent (nephalion) (1 Timothy 3:2–3). The apostle would not have encouraged Timothy to drink alcoholic beverages when he had, earlier in the same letter, forbidden their use by church leaders (1 Timothy 3:8), which leads us into the next topic.
Obviously the new wine would be the fresh unfermented kind.
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Acts 2
12Astounded and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocked them and said, “They are drunk on new wine!
It sounds like new wine can actually be the fermented kind in the scriptures too, vespa..
They actually thought the Holy spirit work was like watching drunks!
Quite a remarkable event that old wineskins got that new wine of the Holy Spirit and they looked like a bunch of drunks to those in the same old wineskins without the new wine.
Glorified bodies,new wine skins, look like the best way to handle the new wine,instead of these old wine skins we’ve been born with..
That grape looks more and more like the fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden..
Wonder how it transformed into an apple in the first place..
Again, the greek word for BOTH the fermented and unfermented is the same word.....”oinos”
So we have to take all of scripture into account to see which one applies for a given circumstances. In this case, they woud have thought it was the fermented. Yes, thinking they were drunk when they were merely filled with the Holy Spirit.
Throughout scripture the Bible warns us against strong drink. Wine is a mocker, don’t even gaze at it. That’s in proverbs, Noah drank wine and look what happened. Herod drank and beheaded John.
Even Revelation equates “wine” with a negative.....”drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
The Bible says Satan is tempting us like a lion he roams looking who he can devour. Drink any alchohol, and your inihibitions are lowered.
Isn’t temptation strong enough without making them easier?
One Seventh day Adventist Elder when I asked him if Jesus made wine, the fermented wine , at the wedding in Cana......he looked at me and smiled and said......”Of course not....he wasn’t interested in making gallons and gallons of alcohol, enough for everyone at the party to get drunk on.......what he made was BETTER THAN WINE.
Finally, Paul admonishes us to be SOBER MINDED for YOUR adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking who he can devour.
Why in the world would a Christian saved by grace, his body being the temple of God, ever let a drop of alcohol into the body God purchased on the cross with his blood.
The Holy Spirit resides in me.....Christ in me.....not alcohol. That is of the devil.
1 Peter 5:8: “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour”.
You say all this and then gobble up the unclean doctrines of demons swine teaching that today is His 1st day..
Not because you are filled with Christ, but because you are deceived by Satan and the Beast of Daniel and the Antichrist Papacy..
So, what’s worse?
A little wine or following the Beast in the end times even blindly in your Saturn Day Advocates religion?
>>>A little wine or following the Beast in the end times even blindly in your Saturn Day Advocates religion?>>>>
So you believe the great deception is tied to the Bible Sabbath that Jesus said he made for man? The 7th day he said he sanctified and made holy in Genesis. The day probably less than one tenth of one percent of all Christians observe?
You think we are the great deception? A little company like us? Wow......sounds like I better get in the majority because when it comes to truth.....the majority is always right. Just ask Noah and Lot.
No, it is not clear at all.
Claiming it so does not make it so.
I think Friday, Saturn Day and Sun Day is the great deception.
I think Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits are the 3 days of the gospel Paul and the scriptures teach.
Passover as His 6th work day
Unleavened Bread as His 7th Day Sabbath
First Fruits as His 1st work day.
You aren’t part of a little company.
You have company with Islam,Judaism and the Papacy led Mother and her harlot daughters.
That’s pretty much the whole world..
Not coincidentally, Islam and Judaism reject the Passover Lamb and not coincidentally, The Antichrist Papacy counterfeits the Passover Lamb.
You are part of a very big company..
Islam and Judaism believes in the same counterfeits you do.
Amazing to observe..
That is true, and, as it ferments it STRETCHES the newskins.
>>>That is true, and, as it ferments it STRETCHES the newskins.>>>
And as it ferments...it becomes OLD WINE. No thanks. Give me the fresh juice from the cluster......the natural as God originally created. You can’t improve on God.
>>>You say all this and then gobble up the unclean doctrines of demons swine teaching that today is His 1st day..>>>
Uh, you don’t believe Sunday is the first day? As identified in scripture? If so, why do people and the church celebrate Easter on Sunday? It is done to honor the resurrection which the Bible says was on....the first day.
I think you are a very confused person.
I do
Most of the time.....
The Father’s first day is the 16th Day of His 1st month.
That’s the 3rd day from Passover, the 14th Day.
What you think is the actual work week according to your Roman Beast is NOT the same work week according to the Word Made Flesh..
Want to know why someone can trust that the 3rd day from Passover, the 16th day, is the 1st work day?
Exodus 16 is the second witness, after Christ Himself, which is the first witness in the scriptures.
What does Exodus 16 say?
A summary..
Israel has spent a month in the wilderness.
They arrive on the 15th Day of His 2nd month.
And grumble while assembled.
What happens next?
That evening of the 15th, quail arrives.
The next day, the 16th?
Manna from heaven begins and falls for 6 days.
Day 16- 1st
Day 17- 2nd
Day 18- 3rd
Day 19- 4th
Day 20- 5th
Day 21- 6th
Day 22- no Manna, the Sabbath Day
Btw, that’s 2 months in a row that detail the 14th Day is His 6th work day, the 15th Day is His Sabbath,and the 16th Day is His 1st Day.
No Roman Beast or Antichrist Papacy needed to tell His Story.
Christianity has a Roman Beast and Antichrist Papacy problem too, just like Islam, Judaism and the whole world.
The bible actually says the sun and moon, lights in the firmament, was created on His 4th Day.
Why does the Roman Beast give the Moon and Sun their own days? And neither is the 4th Day,unlike on the Father’s calendar?
You agree that the Beast of Rome and antichrist Papacy are involved in changing times and law, right?
Son of a gun, so do I.
That’s not being confused.
That’s the process of testing and proving all things.
God doesn’t use the Julian calendar, or the Pope Gregory calendar to tell time.
He uses His Sun, and His Moon, and His Son, the Word Made Flesh.
Rome sells counterfeits.
Counterfeit days, weeks, months, years, holy days, Christ, and gospel..
Islam,Judaism and yes, even Christianity, have a Roman Beast and Antichrist Papacy problem by buying what Rome sells.
What confuses you is that there could be anybody doesn’t buy what Rome sells.
I don’t buy December 25, January 1, February 2, Good goddess frigg, Saturn or Sun day.
I buy Day of the New Moon, Sabbath, Day of Atonement, Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits
One of those is according to Rome
One of those is according to scripture
Islam,Judaism and Christianity confirm Rome’s version every day, every week and every month.
In the Kingdom to come, Rome’s version doesn’t stand..
You do see Rome as a bad apple in the end times,yes?
They don’t win in the end, right?
How much of the losing team are you willing to buy?
I don’t buy any of it.
I don’t buy today is His 1st Day.
According to His lights in the firmament, and scripture, today is His 4th work day.
Made yesterday His 3rd workday.
What a cost that comes to Judaism by not following the Passover Lamb.
They work when He says rest and they rest when He says work.
If they had the Passover Lamb, they’d know the Truth and the Truth would set them free..
They can’t buy that Passover is His 6th day, either.
They buy false goddess frigg day.
Tough to worship the Father in Spirit and Truth when worshipping according to the Roman Beast and Antichrist.
I really don’t expect you to get it or comprehend it.
It would mean you’d start to feel the need to flee what you hold so closely..
Like coming to grips with learning that you had inherited nothing but lies, wherein there is no profit.
And that all those warnings about Beasts and Antichrists, you end up actually needing them to keep standing less your own doctrines of demons fall..
It’s amazing. You are the first person I have ever met, who actually believes Sunday is the 7th day of the week.
That’s the most bizarre notion ever.
Hey genius, the Jews have been keeping the same 7th day Sabbath for over 4000 years! And the church of Rome even says Sunday is the first day. Read her catechism. She claims Sunday replaces the 7th day as the weekly holy day. She never has said Sunday is the 7th day.....
And genius, the whole wide Christian world celebrates Easter SUNDAY, every hear to comemmorate the resurrection...on SUNDAY because it’s the FIRST day of the week, the day according to scripture that he rose.
Finally .....genius. The 7 day cycle has NEVER changed. The calender changed once, but not the weekly cycle. The first day has always been the first day, the 7th day the 7th day, etc.
That’s why the Jews still keep the Sabbath on Saturday....for over 4000 years.
And the word for Saturday in over 100 languages is.....SABADO which means......SABBATH.
YOu have to be the biggest idiot on this forum. A fool.....
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