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To: ransomnote; Disestablishmentarian; I_be_tc; rodguy911; defconw; meyer; outinyellowdogcountry; ...
A "Broken China" Update.


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Happy New Year everyone.

I don't do "Broken China Updates" just to hear myself type (This is good since I have a silent keyboard). I try to wait until I have something new or unusual to report. I have been almost uniformly negative in my updates this year (12/16/24, 8/26/24, 8/18/24, 5/12/24). I blame this on a year long bout of optimism. If anything, I have been nowhere negative enough about the economic and political situation in the PRC. The facts on the ground are, at best, dire. I'm probably STILL being too optimistic.
Why do I think this way? Buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride this year.

Item One: Destruction of private savings and investment.
As bad as inflation can be for destroying wealth, deflation is worse. You have heard me harp on the collapse of the Real Estate sector of the PRC economy. For the past four decades one of the major drivers of the PRC economy has been building. It has been one of the very few places that individuals have been able to invest in. As a result the people invested their retirement savings in real estate.

This began to unravel three years ago with the default of EverGrande and later Town & Country, the two largest developers in the country. This did more than harm those who had purchased houses and apartments. (In the PRC, you pay for the house BEFORE it is built.) It bankrupted subcontractors & materials providers through non-payment. Workers were also left with months of unpaid wages.

With the onset of a deflationary spiral, new home building has virtually ceased. It used to be 30-45% of the economy. The property resale market is down 80-90% in valuation meaning investors can't sell their property and remain on the hook for mortgage payments.

It is now estimated that some 30 TRILLION Dollars, not Yuan, of asset valuation has vanished during the period 2021-2024. This is wealth that the people are depending on to cover their retirement. They will not be happy to learn it is gone. They will demand the CCP so something it can't, bring back their money.

Item Two: The ongoing collapse of retail sales
At a time when the PRC desperately needs to boost private consumption to take up the slack in its export driven economy, retail businesses are closing at a record. Entire shopping districts in the tier one and two cities are eerily quiet with boarded up shop fronts being the norm rather than the rule. Upscale retailers are either closing or renegotiating leases for a fraction (20-30%) of their former rents. Landlords who won't cut rent to retain tenants find themselves with empty buildings which places a further downward pressure on rents. The rate of business closures at the low end, small food and retail shops is even higher.

This is placing a severe downward pressure on wages throughout the economy. Workers without wages can't spend them.

Item Three: Long distance Phishing
Over the past two months, over 80 senior business leaders of major Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Hong stock exchange listed companies have been detained by local officials, generally at a distance from the company's primary business operations. This appears to be a shakedown effort by local governments to extort funds from these businesses to try and close local revenue shortfalls. It also appears to NOT be sanctioned by the national government although the national CCP does not seem to be acting to curb the practice.

This is yet one more negative item depressing the business environment in the PRC.

Item Four: Demographic collapse
I have mentioned this before. I do not believe that the PRC has anywhere close to its claimed 1.4B population. I have seen recent estimates running between one billion down to as low as 700 million. Regardless of what the true number is, it has the CCP scared to death. Family Planning clinics under the One-Child Policy are being reopened as birth promotion centers with all sorts of intrusive questions to newly wed couples inquiring as to the date of the wife's last menstrual period and how soon she expects to be pregnant.

I don't know how the CCP expects this heavy handed approach to have much effect when the 20-somethings they want to have babies are having trouble finding jobs that will allow them to feed, house, and clothe themselves.

Item Five: Misplaced spending priorities
It is evident the there are at least some in the hierarchy of the national CCP that see things clearly both as to the national problems and the necessary corrective action to be taken. That doesn't mean that they have either the power or the inclination to take that action as doing so will threaten the sinecures of others who would take action against them.

The CCP continues to spend extravagantly, trillions of Yuan, on things that will solve the national problems and reverse the decline of the PRC. Examples include: a continued naval build-up, hundreds of miles of high speed rail infrastructure without a pressing need, the Belt & Road Foreign Policy Initiative.

Conclusion:Where do I see things going?
This is the hardest question. Eventually the bill for economic misadventure will come due and the CCP will not be able to cover the tip, much less the bill. The Chinese refer to this as "Losing the Mandate of Heaven." At this point, historically, China has descended into civil war, famine, and population contraction until a new dynasty is founded. The CCP will either be swept away (dead), or will rule over a mountain of rubble and skulls.

The best we can do is not get caught in the crossfire.

WWG1WGA

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

148 posted on 01/01/2025 8:33:45 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

Fantastic update. Thank you for these!

-SB


149 posted on 01/01/2025 8:47:43 PM PST by Snowybear (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: bitt

A NewsGuard ‘Fact Checker’ Sent Me Some Questions. Here Was My Answer.
Robert Spencer

https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2025/01/01/a-newsguard-fact-checker-sent-me-some-questions-here-was-my-answer-n4935584


158 posted on 01/01/2025 9:06:09 PM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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To: LonePalm

Thanks LP


159 posted on 01/01/2025 9:14:16 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: LonePalm


160 posted on 01/01/2025 9:14:43 PM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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To: LonePalm

Appreciate your analysis for the upcoming year. (Fastening seatbelt)


217 posted on 01/02/2025 8:32:57 AM PST by Melian (✳✴️ Reminder: Memes are made to make you think or laugh. Verify for yourself before reposting. ✳️✴️)
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To: LonePalm
As always, thanks for sharing your analysis! What ever happens it will not be a happy business. (Lets hope we can help them with the population decline by closing the secret CCP police stations and sending all their agents home.)
372 posted on 01/02/2025 8:51:23 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: LonePalm

Thank you, as usual, for the Broken China Update.

I want to add that the common denominator (economic) of the factors you presented is the diminishing “Velocity of money.”

It doesn’t matter how much money is available in an economy if parties are not spending it.

When prices are dropping, i.e., deflation, as you pointed out, the “Kill shot” is that there is every incentive to postpone all expenditures in the expectation that prices will be significantly lower at a later date.

As you also pointed out, one of the impacts of deflationary crisis is mass starvation. This leads to drastic changes in government.

In the USA, the Great Depression led to the horrible President, FDR, and a distinct turn of the country towards socialism. Yet the U.S. economy was fundamentally sound.

From what you are describing, China is in much worse shape going into the deflationary crisis. I do not doubt your prediction that the CCP will fall.


433 posted on 01/03/2025 7:33:02 AM PST by Disestablishmentarian (You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland.)
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To: LonePalm; All

“Conclusion:Where do I see things going?
This is the hardest question. Eventually the bill for economic misadventure will come due and the CCP will not be able to cover the tip, much less the bill. The Chinese refer to this as “Losing the Mandate of Heaven.” At this point, historically, China has descended into civil war, famine, and population contraction until a new dynasty is founded. The CCP will either be swept away (dead), or will rule over a mountain of rubble and skulls.”

I see the worst aspect of this in being synergistic to Deep State/Globalists desires to have enough of some type of large scale conflict to throw shade on their collapse/overthrow in the west.

Outside of the US and China I don’t see any sovereign entity with power or desire to jump into the vacuum of chaos this could potentially lead up too. Russians? On its face, and logically, it appears that they would like to just get the Ukraine/NATO thing sorted out and then just pop up the corn and sit back and watch. The Middle East, and the swath extending from there west through North Africa and east through India and out into Indonesia has no individuals or coalitions with power remotely capable of projecting solid continent or ocean spanning power. Most of the nations (save maybe Iran and India) in this swath are also almost wholly dependent on the Key players industrial bases for all of their land and seaborne heavy weaponry.

Most of the swath nations will end up with very minor brigades, possibly a division level, heavy units, very minor surface navies with at best something like a recycled destroyer or 2 along with large units of rifle infantry. Once their fancy stuff is used up or needing parts (sophisticated missilery, radars, aircraft, smart munitions and the componentry to crank out easy FPV drones) they are going to quickly learn the cost of fairly even WWI level combat.

Smart ones will tighten up their nations defense in depth structures and start talking to neighbors, dumb ones will blow their holdings on adventurism and “conquest” and end up falling apart.

Japan?

I think they’ll look to partnering with areas local to them just to keep a China collapse from spilling over into their trade and resource routes.

An unstable or fragmenting China is also going to make politics and life pretty lively for all the surrounding small states. Vietman, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Burma (Myanmar), etc... They are all going to start having to consider how to exist as a nation without a ready source of floating power projection, heavy armor and tube artillery and whether or not it’s in their immediate interest to invest a large percentage of economic effort into building out home grown production capacity of same.

When it comes to Iran and India, the former is riding the tightrope of losing their own populations subservience, and the latter has apparently not had enough cultural bleed over from the west to, at the national level have a cohesive mindset of “get shit done” (per that eye opening ZH article). They seem to be able to unify enough, and have the population to boot, to hand the forces of Islam their asses on a regular basis but they don’t appear to be able to come up with (or even care to) a sales pitch to create some type of regional coalition...

‘nough rambling at the moment, just wanted to get some $0.02 in while fresh in my mind. Somthings to chew on/consider...


1,081 posted on 01/06/2025 11:06:58 AM PST by Axenolith (BAGSTER! Pretty sure you can do an End Zone dance up there now! 🤣)
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