Posted on 12/25/2024 10:20:58 AM PST by marcusmaximus
President-elect Trump’s choice for special envoy to Ukraine and Russia, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, slammed the Russian military missile and drone attack on Christmas Day and said the U.S. is “more resolved than ever to bring peace to the region.”
“Christmas should be a time of peace, yet Ukraine was brutally attacked on Christmas Day,” Kellogg wrote Wednesday on social platform X. “Launching large-scale missile and drone attacks on the day of the Lord’s birth is wrong. The world is closely watching actions on both sides. The U.S. is more resolved than ever to bring peace to the region.”
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You bozos still using this dumb talking point? Ukraine was not eligible to join NATO when the war started due to the occupation of the Donbass and Crimea. NATO membership was also hard-stopped by French and German opposition.
You seem to care extraordinarily about Ukrainians celebrating Christmas on what you call the “common” date. Well, the date of Dec. 25 according to the Gregorian calendar is NOT the common date in the Orthodox world (as proven in my post #130 — nearly every Orthodox Church uses the Julian calendar, from Belarus to Serbia to Ethiopia).
I have not”attacked” or made any “negative posts” about the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. I feel no hostility, certainly no passion when it comes to whatever they do. I have commented that some politician upending a thousand years of Church Tradition for political reasons is questionable. You read that into my posts because apparently you are passionate about Ukrainians being “more like us” (which I find rather condescending toward Ukrainians) and you apparently are hostile toward anyone who does not agree all gung ho with your stance.
I think it’s a shame some politician overturned a thousand years of church tradition, but hey, no skin off my nose. I am not Ukrainian Orthodox, nor am I a Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholic, so it does not affect me. So I really don’t care. Apparently you do, so ... go ahead and care. You don’t seem to have much understanding of Orthodox Christianity and its traditions, nor of Eastern Rite Catholicism.
I have lived among Orthodox Christians in areas or countries that were majority Orthodox. I’ve also attended Eastern Rite Catholic services with Ukrainians — the latter in Russia(!).
We used to have long discussions between Orthodox and Catholics (and some Protestants joined in) back in the day that were very informative; the main participants were real scholars and deep thinkers and I learned a lot from them. Some of those threads went on for thousands of posts. It was quite something.
I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of the various patriarchates, etc., and who is “recognized” by whom as “canonical”. You might get something of an idea from this reddit thread:
You seem to care very much that Ukrainian Orthodox change their calendar to be “more like us” — again, that’s your (rather uninformed, I think) opinion. For Ukrainian Orthodox and Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholics, following the Julian calendar was a cherished part of their tradition and identity, as it is for most Orthodox (and many Eastern Rite Catholics) around the world. I don’t see that it is particularly Ukrainian, as they have followed the Julian calendar for a thousand years.
But I am not an Orthodox or Ukrainian Catholic, so it really doesn’t affect me and it doesn’t really matter to me what they do. I do admire the Orthodox, their beautiful liturgy and churches, very much enjoyed the privilege of attending services in various Orthodox Churches (Russian, Serbian, Ukrainian) and being invited to join in charming Ethiopian Orthodox celebrations, and feel kinship with them as a fellow Christian. I certainly don’t feel it’s my place to tell them what to do, what calendar they should follow, etc. I certainly don’t think I have any business thinking they should be “more like us”.
Most of our Orthodox members left around 2011, but I see Honorary Serb is still around, so I’m pinging him in case he can clear up any confusion I might have or mistakes I may have made.
LOL, there you go again, and what a long, long, long post about you not caring as you make up stuff about me as you keep doing that opposite thing, trying to cover for your passion and hostility to their choice, and keep attacking the Ukraine church for meeting and deciding to adopt the common date which led to legislation to make it official and which their president signed.
You care, and are even pinging people to come to join you, to help you criticize Ukrainians and their Orthodox church for asking for the change.
“I have commented that some politician upending a thousand years of Church Tradition for political reasons is questionable.”
“I think it’s a shame some politician overturned a thousand years of church tradition”
We have initiated far more wars than Russia in the past 3 decades. And none of them were in our neighborhood. All way off in other people’s backyards deposing leaders covertly or using raw military power to impose “democracy” where they don’t want it. And meanwhile, we have no border, no money and our own government attacks its own citizens if they are white, or patriotic. We have no moral right to criticize any other country at this point.
Excuse me? List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union:
Central Asia: 12
North Caucasus: 8
These include the Chechen wars when Russia invaded Chechnya. Remember when the FSB was caugh bombing apartments in Moscow to start the Second Chechen war?
South Caucasus: 23
The Chechen wars were the start of Russia's move south through the Caucasus region. Lots of small wars here, First Nagorno-Karabakh War, Russo-Georgian War... that one started when Russia invaded Georgia.
Eastern Europe: 12
Including Russia invading Crimea, creating the Transnistria crisis in Moldova, and invading Ukraine.
That's 55 conflicts. Funny how Russia always has to defend herself from her smaller neighbors who want to be left alone by sending the army across the border. One might mistake Russian, and by his time in office, Putin's benevolence, for wanting to reestablish the USSR or create a greater Russian empire.
Check the CIA wars and color revolutions and throw in the COVID pandemic which was a US attack on every country in the world and the US wins hands down. Add the million killed in Ukraine at our insistence. And the J6 prisoners.
Most evil cabal in history.
Go troll on another forum.
“We have initiated far more wars than Russia in the past 3 decades.”
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∅bumble bombed more countries than any other US president since WWII.
Please keep picking on me. I appreciate the empty critiques from the unfit.
Their finest export models were all over the world plying their trade, the oldest profession, and expanding the white powder drug of choice from Columbia. In Asia if she was a blond she was Russian or Uke.
That statement is Correct and True.
Widget replies: Excuse me? List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union:
Points of fact:
1 The Soviet Union Dissolved at the end of 1991, 33 years ago, well within Kent's specified time frame. Nothing in this list is applicable to Kent's post.
Secondly, a List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union is an area considerably larger than Russia, with a lot of Non-Russians starting those conflicts in Non-Russian areas.
Thirdly, the comments disingenuously conflate the period of the Soviet Union's initiating conflict with the last 30 years of Russian response to Chechen initiated wars.
Fourth, there is NO Excuse for you, Widget.
The NATO expansion bollocks is a red herring. We’ve heard that directly from Putin’s Brain, Alexander Dugin.
“Without Ukraine Russia cannot become once more the empire. With Ukraine inside of Russian zone of control it will become the empire once more. That is a kind of law, nothing personal. This war or special military operation in in Ukraine is about that. It is about geopolitics.”
This is, was, and will always be, about Russia being the only country on the planet that wants to turn the geopolitical clock back decades without offering a single positive sell.
Putin doesn’t care about the 90% of Russia that’s rusted up with impassable roads, he doesn’t care about the industrial collapse or the intellectual exodus. He doesn’t care about the economy. He doesn’t care about the hundreds of thousands of his citizens who’ve been dragged into his unnecessary meat grinder.
All he cares about is his ridiculous Duginist fantasy and his admiration of Stalin. He simply wants to go to the grave being the man who single handedly brought back the Victorian map by putting jackboots into free countries.
He knows that sane people wouldn’t ever support this ambition if he just came out and said it, but there are enough useful idiots out there who can be convinced to support that endgame simply because Putin sings the right tunes on far less important talking points like WEF, Globohomo, LGBTQ, and NATO expansion.
NATO expansion frustrated the empire ambition. And rightly so. EU expansion frustrated it. And rightly so.
But we kept being told, don’t poke the bear; Putin’s got legitimate beef. Which was bollocks. His only real beef was, his empire restoration project was being cockblocked.
Putin never deserved the kid glove treatment. The minute he started pitching empire restoration he should’ve been taken out to the woodshed and horse whipped round the mouth until he learned a lesson.
Russia doesn’t have the right to be treated as a superpower because it hasn’t advanced anything in decades, and it has totally squandered the opportunities of the collapse of the USSR. China advanced. Russia retarded.
Putin doesn’t deserve an empire because he regards Stalin’s leadership of the USSR as a good role model. It wasn’t even good for Russia. The guy was worse than Hitler.
Irrational ideological crusades are the enemy of us all. Islamofascism and Russofascism are equally bad.
Thank you.
Additionally, Widget knew the List's time frame included several Decades before the thirty year period you referenced in your accurate comment.
Widget was practicing classic Diversionary Disinformational Propaganda Techniques.
But then, he IS a Zeeper.
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