Posted on 12/23/2024 3:41:58 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
The Canadians have banned private health insurance for anything deemed medically necessary by the state. That has not resulted in a socialist paradise, where no medical claim is ever denied. The state keeps a lid on spending by forcing Canadians to wait for care.
The story is similar in Britain. Private insurance is legal. 1 in 8 Britons has it. They buy it because wait times for care in the publicly run health care system are interminable.
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“Public healthcare is dependent upon sufficient numbers of young people to rob of their future in order to fund it.”
K-12 school budgets are online.
My pocket has been picked for decades.
Junior and the Little Princess that got 13 years each of “free” public education (and often Medicaid/Kidscare) had better be prepared to reciprocate.
If I have to get health care in Mexico (or Slovakia)(Saskatchewan charges furriners three times the Canadian price), Little Princess Nurse should use her expensively educated brain cells to figure out what will happen to her income.
I have to ask you if you believe we're living in a dystopian future where you're the last generation to live?
You must understand that the Boomers were the generation that saw their fathers and grandfathers and uncles and brothers go off to war against Nazism. To those who returned (and the families of those who didn't), society formed a contract that would pay for that generation's well-being from the wages of the current working class, with the promise that those paying into the system would have it repaid to them in the future. Sacrifice a little now for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, and America will pay you back when you are no longer of working age.
It was a contract that all Americans whole-heartedly agreed to accept.
Fast-forward to today, and the Boomers are calling due the IOU that they were given. They sacrificed the luxuries of their prime years to give a percentage of their wages to care for the "Greatest Generation" who saved western civilization. Now they want their deferred income to give them some sense of luxury that they didn't receive when younger. The Boomers didn't buy Playstations or HDTV's or large cars or extravagant vacations; they lived frugally and accepted it. Think of it as a post-WWII 401(k); the Boomers paid into the government and now want those payments (with accrued interest) paid back to them as promised.
Also today we have your kind, who feels no attachment to the WWII sacrifice nor the families who willingly gave a portion of their wages to help those who sacrificed in WWII. It may be true that the dire national need of the late 1940s and the future generations that were directly impacted are no longer the focus of the world today, but the societal contract is still in place. The question for you is how you see your repayment for your contributions that you're still required to make?
Do you think you're paying into a system to support slackers and others who don't deserve the money that you earned and won't pay their fair share when the time comes that you need it?
Do you think that you're paying into a system that won't be around when it's your turn to receive the benefits from it?
Do you think the country is going to collapse and that your future is uncertain, and so the best plan is to hoard what you've got for yourself and let everyone else fend for themselves?
I can see someone in your position lobbying to phase out the social securities of a meager pension and health care for the elderly who are no longer working as future societies move further away from the incidents that sparked the formation of such safety nets, but I don't understand the hostility towards those who are simply asking for what was due to them to be given to them.
-PJ
As I said, educating the population results in a financial net gain because those children end up paying for their education and contribute positively to the tax base. It’s a net positive to society to educate them. Not educating them would result in a poorer society.
This is not the case with healthcare. There is no net positive for society to use others to pay for your healthcare. It becomes a drain on them and inhibits them from having a future for themselves. My future was completely compromised by paying for my country’s healthcare.
Not ony do I not get healthcare when I will need it, my ability to financially support myself during this period is non-existent. The public pensions are not going to be there. I’m not going to have healthcare. The money I could have used for my benefit is spent. The kitty is empty.
Jr and Miss Princess will have paid back society by being able to earn higher incomes and contribute to taxes when they work. This is why public education is justifiable and healthcare is not.
“You live well, because you use other people’s money to live well. That’s how you get your healthcare paid for.”
I haven’t gotten healthcare except for three (1 flu + 2 Covid) vaccine jabs for over 20 years.
I’m out ~$2200 for Medicare premiums. I think that is a fair bet or better, over the coming years.
How about Junior and the Little Princess refunding the school property taxes, adjusted for monetary inflation?
“This is why public education is justifiable and healthcare is not.”
Any K-12 graduate that believes one bovine per 20 acres can modify the climate is evidence I should have invested in an HSA instead of public K-12 education.
There will be people, just not the income to pay for the dreams of liberals. The debt doesn’t shrink because the number of people paying for it shrinks. It will consume a larger portion of their income than ours. So, they will be paying the debt and very little on social benefits for themselves.
I get the reason for the war, but that does not justify socialism. Going off to war should have given every reason to resist socialism. That contract you mentioned have given very little future to the children. They will have neither socialism for themselves nor any income to build a life through their efforts. That’s what that social contract will have amounted to in the end.
It was a mistake to agree to accept.
As I said, it should have never been done. The future of AMerica is more Venezuelan than American, because socialism always robs the future until the productivity capacity of the future is spent.
It’s not that I have any empathy for those who went to war but that empathy is coming out of the future of the future generations. I can always tell how liberal somebody is by little value they place on the ensuring there is a future for future generations.
It used to be a given that people lived and sacrificed everything to ensure a better future for their children. That value is non-existent in modern society, because modern society wants all the spending for the present and don’t care what the future holds.
I’m forced to pay into a system to make life better so my elders can live as well as they can, without anybody in the future doing that for me. Aborted children don’t contribute to the tax base for their elders and 2 billion have been aborted throughout the West since Roe and Wade. We aborted enough children to populate an earth of a 1920’s population.
Yes, America will collapse under the weight of debt. That is why the socialists gave America $34 trillion in debt, to collapse. It is all but inevitable at this point as to what is going to happen. It’s a matter of when and not if.
Society survive when we build futures for the children and not support for the elderly. That’s just economics.
You don’t understand how impoverished we’ve made the future, for our present benefit, as to why some people might object? Could it be because those objecting know that everything has been taken from them and they will have nearly nothing for themselves?
You paid into a con is what you did. It was never going to work forever. As Christopher Hitchen said, “It only worked for one generation and it will work for nobody else.” That’s a paraphrase of his actual words, but the meaning is the same.
And I’m out $200,000 directly and $700,000 (plus $30,000/year) indirectly.
They do. It’s called taxes. The amount of income earned that can be taxed between high school dropouts and those with high school diplomas is about $250,000 or so.
The presumption is a well working education system. Unfortunately, the process has stretched out the process so children only get a grade 5 education over 12 years
We need to get the feds out of education.
“Society survive when we build futures for the children and not support for the elderly. That’s just economics.”
Are you prepared to refund the school taxes, adjusted for 1982-2024 NYSE/NASDAQ opportunity costs?
The time was what it was; the people in it were making the decisions that were best for them at the time. If you're going to play the socialism card, why not play the entire hand? The 100 million people of the past six generations were conned and only you see the truth?
Nobody planned a central economy here; nobody assigned you the task of bricklayer because your town needed bricklaying and you were available no matter how smart or strong you were; nobody decided what jobs were surplus and what would be paid for the job that were assigned.
The Boomer generation was free to choose what jobs they wanted or didn't want. Some worked, some stayed home; some excelled, some failed.
What you call a socialist con, other might call a tithe. It's all a matter of perspective. Personally, I think you've been led astray by the philosophy of Christopher Hitchens, a Brit, an atheist, and a contrarian of anything establishment. I remember reading his essays when they were published because he was a critical voice of the times, but I didn't subscribe to them. It's a shame that he died at age 62 -- I wonder if he might have had an epiphany if he had the chance to reach old age.
-PJ
The future hasn't happened yet. Why are you so sure that won't be the case, unless you think everyone in the future will be just like you?
-PJ
Okay, now you straying waaay beyond the topic of the thread of health care (and my inclusion of social security in general). Those programs were not going to bankrupt future generations.
-PJ
“Remember, no children means no healthcare for you.”
I’m happy to strike keys, and I would be happy to write names and dosages of drugs on pieces of paper, and insert IV lines, for less than “the children” possibly could.
I am refunding by paying more in taxes than I otherwise would have.
Are you going to give my healthcare dollars back from the simple fact that it was always fraudulently taken?
It was well known 80 years ago that socialism doesn’t work. America’s Founding Fathers, when discussing the type of governance they should be under, when forming America, socialism was part of that discussion. They rejected it back then for the same reasons we should today, because it doesn’t work.
The reason I see the truth and you don’t is because I can do math. The world’s debt was accumulated by those who couldn’t do math. The impoverishment of the future is guaranteed because those who did the impoverishing couldn’t do math. If you honestly can’t see the impoverishment, than I would probably argue that you can’t do math.
You don’t need a planned economy to achieve the end results of socialism. You just have to be unable to do math. The end result of devastation will be the same.
Your children and your grandchildren might still be able to choose their own jobs, they just won’t be able to make a choice to support themselves because they will have no choice but to support the debt you bequeathed them and the socialism you desire.
You can call it what you want, but you tithed the kids into impoverishment. Hitchens is correct economically. Socialism may create that perfect society, but it only does so for one generation and the next generation starves. Math, again.
Umm, no. Math, again.
People being encultured to not have children are not going to suddenly start having them by the dozen. Without an increasing population, socialism ensures eventual poverty for all.
I don’t need to be a clairvoyant on this point. I just have to be able to do math. Smaller populations means smaller socialism. If their income is going to be eaten up by debt, their amount of socialism will be smaller yet.
No. It’s all related. Forcing the young to pay for healthcare they do not use forces them to forego their futures of being able to live as previous generations go to live.
It’s math. Always math.
How will that help the children fund your healthcare?
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