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UFO hearing LIVE: US Congress holds hearing (11/13)24)
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Posted on 11/14/2024 10:46:31 AM PST by TigerClaws

U.S. House Oversight Committee holds a hearing on reports of “unidentified anomalous phenomena” (UFOs), with testimonies expected from former Department of Defense and NASA members.


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To: TigerClaws

A Vegas tv local channel coverage that may be of interest:

https://youtu.be/6agNLC8bAns?si=Gah0J1_2Uhp_RvRb


21 posted on 11/14/2024 1:55:56 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: RoosterRedux

The way some of these objects fly is the exact same way that Bob Lazar stated years ago. That the saucer tilts up and moves forward. As filmed by the naval aviator and released last year.

That the craft is able to create a gravitational field around it. By doing this is can move at much high velocity and not subject the occupants to the G forces that would kill them.
The gravitational field uses an element on the periodic table that the scientific community did not believe existed until just a few years ago.


22 posted on 11/14/2024 2:06:22 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: TigerClaws
During the Nimitz, Princeton, Cmdr Fravor et al. tictac event, the USS Princeton tracked a tictac on their radar that dropped from an altitude 80,000 ft to right above the water in 7/8 of a second. That would be over 60,000 mph and even possibly even more at some points considering that it had to stop presumably by slowing down.

The Princeton picked the object up at 80,000 ft because that was the upper limit of its radar. This suggests that the object was coming in from a higher altitude.

23 posted on 11/14/2024 2:14:59 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." They failed. )
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To: woodbutcher1963
That the saucer tilts up and moves forward.

That's exactly what the kids at the Ariel School incident in Zimbabwe said—the UFO leaned over on its side when it moved away.

24 posted on 11/14/2024 2:20:04 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." They failed. )
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To: RoosterRedux; All

Pretty lethal to any organisms we know about.

Here’s the math:

First, let’s convert our units to consistent measures:

Initial height: 80,000 ft = 24,384 meters
Time: 7/8 = 0.875 seconds
Speed: 60,000 mph = 26,822 m/s

Assuming this is happening near sea level and the object reaches the water, the key is to find the acceleration.

Using the equations of motion:

Final velocity: 26,822 m/s
Initial velocity: Let’s assume it starts from the stated speed
Distance: 24,384 m
Time: 0.875 s

The average acceleration would be:

a = (v₂ - v₁)/t
In this case, we’re primarily looking at vertical acceleration against gravity
The change in vertical velocity over this distance in 0.875 seconds
This gives us approximately 27,867 m/s²

To convert to G-forces:

1 G = 9.81 m/s²
27,867/9.81 = approximately 2,841 G’s

This level of G-force would be catastrophic for any living organisms. For context, trained fighter pilots can typically handle up to 9 G’s for very brief periods with special equipment. Even advanced mechanical systems would face extreme stress under such forces.

I believe the skeptic on here are left saying the military personnel who testified under oath are lying the the videos are faked. Right?


25 posted on 11/14/2024 2:30:46 PM PST by TigerClaws
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Anyone got a link to the report?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14084477/Pentagon-UFO-crash-commercial-airliner-New-York-bombshell-report-released.html

Pentagon says UFO nearly crashed into commercial airliner above New York - as bombshell report is released

Oh, and another nut testified before Congress...

Navy Rear Admiral to give bombshell testimony to Congress about underwater UFOs that have been tailing US nuclear subs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14070007/navy-admiral-bombshell-testimony-congress-underwater-ufo.html


26 posted on 11/14/2024 2:55:05 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws; cgbg
This level of G-force would be catastrophic for any living organisms.

Absolutely.

It has been suggested that UFOs might be a form of image projection with a unique kind of mass or substance. This projection could exist primarily in another dimension, intersecting with ours just enough to give it a perceived material presence (solid enough to appear on radar and/or even leave burn marks on the soil). This idea becomes easier to grasp when we remember that what we think of as solid objects are actually collections of atoms bound by electronic forces.

If something from another dimension could manifest similarly—through energy or atomic-like structure—it might give the impression of a tangible, physical object without being one in the conventional sense.

This also offers a possible explanation for why such an object could appear to endure extreme G-forces without destruction; as a projection, it wouldn’t experience forces in the same way a solid object would, allowing it to move or maneuver rapidly without the structural damage we’d expect in physical matter. Additionally, the beings (grays and even mantis-type beings, et al.) seen around these phenomena might not actually be within the projected 'craft.' Instead, they may step through from this other dimension, appearing alongside or even within these projections in a way that gives the illusion of occupancy. This could suggest that the entire experience—craft and beings alike—is part of a dimensional phenomenon that only partially intersects with our reality, creating a perception of material presence without true physicality.

27 posted on 11/14/2024 3:51:13 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." They failed. )
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To: RoosterRedux

See post #25 for the new Daily Mail story.


28 posted on 11/14/2024 4:04:20 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Thx. Will do.


29 posted on 11/14/2024 4:06:12 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." They failed. )
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To: TigerClaws

Ways (aside from new physics) to get around the physics issues:

—Artificial intelligence vehicles (no passengers)

—Avatars/holograms that are not true biologics (the actual aliens could be “broadcasting” from elsewhere (or elsewhen!).


30 posted on 11/14/2024 4:15:23 PM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: TigerClaws
Let's go through the list.

Air Force Commander
- There is no such rank in the USAF. CDR Fravor is a Naval Aviator. As for sworn testimony from CDR Fravor, I watched it years ago and he simply recounts what he saw while carefully avoiding conclusions that would require extrapolation.
Luis Elizondo
- Elizondo is a biologist who happens to have a clearance. That's nice. Spent years in such environments myself. It adds no credibility to opinions someone may have. In fact, bringing it up usually implies the opposite. Elizondo doesn't have the background to make informed judgements about what he's discussing.
The observed events
- The events presented were real but are subject to interpretation. E.g., the high angular rate of the "tic-tac" has been discussed on this very forum and identified as attenuation on the radar by ex-rdr techs, and the guy was chasing an electronic phantom. Is that true? Ask an RF guy. But that's one reason I asked you to calculate the angular rate. It's value may match a system parameter showing that the whole thing was an electronic artifact.
Existing Analysis
- At this link: Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles you can find a top level analysis of the physics behind the mentioned events. The most compelling is the Senior Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day radar report. For something to be observed in LEO and then make a stepped descent to 80Kft and then down to 28Kft followed by a 0.78s descent to the surface is beyond extraordinary but unprecedented. To wit: "Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies".
Bottom Line
- The events analysed in the paper show rough correlation. But do they have such correlation because people reporting them have prior knowledge or predisposition to report things that way? How many people back in the '60s described being beamed up by willowy proto humans with big eyes? Were they just regurgitating previous descriptions? How is it possible that something races off at Mach 60 and doesn't create a shock wave of immense intensity? Ever heard a high Mach number shock wave? It'll knock your eardrums out and shake your house. And that's for an airplane doing Mach 1.4. How does something suspend the perfect gas law? There are alternate explanations, not necessarily considered here.
There are sensors of all sorts all over the Earth now. There is overhead reconaissance that is ubiquitous and persistent which would undoubtedly capture and track any such craft if a lousy AN/APG-79 AESA radar could do it. So uh, where's that evidence?

So this isn't going to get solved anytime soon nor is it important. What IS important is focus HARD on the immense issues right now, since we have the greatest opportunity in the last 80 years to fix serious problems that affect the existence of the nation. In the meantime, the LGM's who fly tic-tacs will not affect much of anything on their sight seeing tours, if that's what these events are.

31 posted on 11/14/2024 9:44:58 PM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Regulator

“So this isn’t going to get solved anytime soon nor is it important. What IS important is focus HARD on the immense issues right now, since we have the greatest opportunity in the last 80 years to fix serious problems that affect the existence of the nation. In the meantime, the LGM’s who fly tic-tacs will not affect much of anything on their sight seeing tours, if that’s what these events are.”

You assume we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. I can... Can you? And it is important. If civilian corporate contractors are withholding tech from the world, that tech could render all the other international relations and conflict issues pointless because we would be in a new realm of understanding and capability.

For some reason you are working real hard to prevent objectivity about this topic when you could have just ignored it if you don’t believe it possible.


32 posted on 11/15/2024 12:03:17 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: jeffc

Having a technology is one thing. Knowing what to do with it or how it works is another.

Kind of like a dog with a car ... They can get in and ride around and they know it brings humans to them.


33 posted on 11/15/2024 4:08:45 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Regulator

Object was tracked at point A then reaquired at point B at 10 miles which is a rather large FOV. You have time and distance which gives you speed.

F-18 radars (like most radars) can track multiple targets at one time so losing a target and then requiring the same target in the same FOV happens often... Like a tracked aircraft goes behind a mountain, track is lost, the reaquired when it emerges from the other side.

As for speeds, the Mass Solar Probe became the fastest human-made object ever recorded on Sept. 27 2023, the probe reached 394,736 mph/ (635,266 km/h) as it came close to the sun’s surface, thanks to a little gravity assistance from a close flyby of Venus on Aug. 21 2023 . With this approach to the sun, the probe smashed its own previous speed record of 364,660 mph (586,863 kmh), set in Nov. 2021.

So humans have figured out how to achieve these speeds with a little creativity.


34 posted on 11/15/2024 4:37:53 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Regulator

Elizondo..is a biologist? You should look at his resume which is pretty impressive.

Your bottom line assumes our understanding of known physics.

Why limit yourself. There’s more we don’t know than know.


35 posted on 11/15/2024 4:55:01 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: TigerClaws

Amazing how fast folks will react to plain physics with all kinds of made-up fantasy.

So, if we’re going to get imaginative, how about: Tic-tacs, orbs, etc. - they all look a whole lot like Easter Eggs.

All these ‘observations’ and ‘readings’ and ‘measurements’ come from software-driven displays and equipment. Software - more believable that a good proportion of these unexplained oddities are software/hardware glitches and anomalies.

And for all this rando high-speed movement, not one physical contact or trace of contact.

Gonna have to catch the Bigfoot before it’s credible.


36 posted on 11/15/2024 4:28:21 PM PST by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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