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Obama Shadow Government
November 19, 2024 | ^self

Posted on 11/10/2024 2:44:37 PM PST by keat

With Biden leaving office in January and all of the embedded Obama staffers going with him, it's hard to believe a shadow government won't be formed. This with the full cooperation of the State Department, all intelligence agencies and the Pentagon.

There will be back door communication with all our enemies, including UK, France, Iran, etc...

Subject for discussion: What can Trump do about this? Is there a precedent?


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1 posted on 11/10/2024 2:44:37 PM PST by keat
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To: keat

Time to get real with God.


2 posted on 11/10/2024 2:45:50 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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I think THIS will go a long way towards discouraging the behavior of Trump's first term:

1. First, I will immediately reissue my 2020 executive order restoring the president’s authority to remove Rogue bureaucrats and I will wield that power very aggressively.

2. Second, we will clean out all of the corrupt actors in our national security and intelligence apparatus and there are plenty of them. The Departments and agencies that have been weaponized will be completely overhauled so that faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives Christians or the Left’s political enemies, which they’re doing now at a level that nobody can believe even possible.

3. Third, we will totally reform the FISA courts which are so corrupt that the judges seemingly do not care when they are lied to in warrant applications. So many judges have seen so many applications that they know were wrong or at least they must have known they do nothing about it they’re lied to.

4. Fourth, to expose the hoaxes and abuses of power that have been tearing our country apart, we will establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to declassify and publish all documents on deep State spying, censorship and corruption (and there are plenty of them).

5. Fifth, we will launch a major Crackdown on government leakers who collude with the fake news to deliberately weave false narratives and to subvert our government and our democracy. When possible, we will press criminal charges.

6. Six, we will make every inspector General’s Office independent and physically separated from the Departments they oversee so they do not become the Protectors of the deep State.

7. Seventh, I will ask Congress to establish an independent auditing system to continually monitor our intelligence agencies to ensure they are not spying on our citizens or running disinformation campaigns against the American people or that they are not spying on someone’s campaign like they spied on my campaign.

8. Eighth, we will continue the effort launched by the Trump Administration to move parts of the sprawling Federal bureaucracy to new locations outside the Washington swamp, just as I moved the Bureau of Land Management to Colorado as many as 100,000 government positions could be moved out and I mean immediately of Washington to places filled with Patriots who love America—and they really do love America.

9. Ninth, I will work to ban Federal bureaucrats from taking jobs at the companies they deal with, that they regulate, so they deal with these companies and they regulate these companies and then they want to take jobs with these companies. Such a public display cannot go on and it’s taking place all the time like with big Pharma.

10. Finally, I will push a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on members of Congress this is how I will shatter the Deep State and restore government that is controlled by the people and for the people.


3 posted on 11/10/2024 2:49:22 PM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: keat

Indict them all for conspiracy and treason, ship them to Gitmo and throw away the key.


4 posted on 11/10/2024 2:50:11 PM PST by jimbug
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To: keat

Run the country from a secure Mara Lago.

0 moles
0 leaks
0 bugs

Protect the whistle blowers, fire and prosecute those responsible for insubordination, insurrection and treason.

Get warrants to surveil them.

Rip the fkg lid off.


5 posted on 11/10/2024 2:53:11 PM PST by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh
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To: keat

Treason is a capital offense


6 posted on 11/10/2024 2:55:14 PM PST by FatherofFive (we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor)
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To: keat

Forewarned is forearmed.


7 posted on 11/10/2024 2:55:43 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: keat

Treat all such communications with foreign nations as treason.


8 posted on 11/10/2024 3:00:10 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Steely Tom

You’re right. They’re going to be more determined and ruthless and extremely dangerous than ever.


9 posted on 11/10/2024 3:01:13 PM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: keat

The Obamas still live in Washington DC. Why is this?


10 posted on 11/10/2024 3:04:51 PM PST by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: keat

All personal cell phones locked up during work hours. Extensive monitoring of individual activity on govt. computers and phone systems.


11 posted on 11/10/2024 3:11:31 PM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: keat
There has been a shadow government since Obama left office and its called WestExec Advisors.
12 posted on 11/10/2024 3:13:03 PM PST by 100%FEDUP
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To: jdt1138

Obama is still part of the government as he controls Obiden and Oharris. He needed to stay in DC to continue his presidency through the third term with Obiden as his mouthpiece and the fourth term he fully expected to happen. He thought that his control of election procedures and counts was already secure.


13 posted on 11/10/2024 3:27:23 PM PST by arthurus (covfefe )
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To: keat

that sounds like treason and would hopefully be punished accordingly, if it happened.


14 posted on 11/10/2024 3:38:59 PM PST by imabadboy99
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To: keat
With Biden leaving office in January and all of the embedded Obama staffers going with him, it's hard to believe a shadow government won't be formed.

What do you think has been going on at 2446 Belmont Road NW in Kalorama for the past four years?

The Obamas bought this house for $8.1 million from Bill Clinton's press secretary Joe Lockhart (that's right, boys and girls, the White House Press Secretary can afford a multi-million $$ mansion).

9 bedrooms, 9 baths, no kids. Who else lives there?

15 posted on 11/10/2024 3:52:59 PM PST by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: FatherofFive

Treason is a capital offense
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In America, where lawlessness is rampant throughout the Federal government and many State governments, and countless felonies are committed with impunity all across the country every single day, your statement is rendered MEANINGLESS. Just for curiosity, when was the most recent conviction for treason in America, and what was the sentence imposed?


16 posted on 11/10/2024 4:33:25 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Never forget, the Democrats & RINOs who would destroy our country ARE STILL HERE!)
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To: keat

The Deep State and the bureaucracy were around before Obama and they’re around after him. They don’t need to take orders from him.


17 posted on 11/10/2024 4:35:24 PM PST by x
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Lawfare Operatives at DOJ are Panicked About What President Donald Trump Will Do Inside Main Justice

November 10, 2024 | Sundance 

When the FBI and DOJ lawfare operatives want to frame their agenda and undermine their targets, they have historically leaked to the New York Times and Politico.  Both outlets serve as the promoters for false or misleading information that benefits the bad actors inside the DOJ and FBI.

As a consequence, when the DOJ or FBI start freaking out, they run to the same New York Times and Politico.

Politico is reporting today about how the lawfare operatives inside Main Justice are panicking about what incoming President Trump will do.

WASHINGTON DC – A collective sense of dread has taken hold at the Department of Justice, which drew Donald Trump’s rage like no other part of the federal government during his campaign.

Some career attorneys at DOJ are already considering heading for the exits rather than sticking around to find out whether threats from Trump and his allies are real or campaign bluster. Those threats range from mass firings of “deep state” lawyers to expelling special counsel Jack Smith from the country.

“Everyone I’ve talked to, mostly lawyers, are losing their minds,” said one DOJ attorney, who like most of the people interviewed for this article was granted anonymity to speak freely about colleagues and avoid retribution from the president-elect and his allies. “The fear is that career leadership and career employees everywhere are either going to leave or they’re going to be driven out.”

While alarm over Trump’s return is widespread throughout the federal bureaucracy, it is perhaps most acute at the Justice Department, which was at the center of many of the major controversies of his first term.

Most of the department’s 115,000 employees were around for those controversies. Critics believed the Trump White House meddled in some of the department’s high-profile prosecutions. Both of Trump’s attorneys general, Jeff Sessions and William Barr, eventually lost the president’s confidence. And his first term ended with a stunning showdown between Trump and nearly all of his DOJ appointees as they resisted his attempts to cling to power.

But department veterans say those events pale in comparison to what they expect when Trump gets a second chance to try to remake the DOJ in his vision. They also know Trump’s anger at the department has only deepened in the past four years as it launched two unprecedented criminal prosecutions against him.

“Many federal employees are terrified that we’ll be replaced with partisan loyalists — not just because our jobs are on the line, but because we know that our democracy and country depend on a government supported by a merit-based, apolitical civil service,” said Stacey Young, a trial attorney in the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division who won an award from Barr in 2020 and is president and co-founder of the DOJ Gender Equality Network.

It all adds up to a feeling of trepidation for many of the department’s rank and file.

“We’ve all seen this movie before and it’s going to be worse,” said one former DOJ official who served under Trump and several of his predecessors. “It will be worse. It’s just a question of how much worse it’s going to be.” (read more)

Main Justice works closely with the FBI on what is loosely termed federal “law and order.”   There are several positions within the DOJ that are familiar as a result of the modern weaponization that took place.

As an institution, Main Justice is now almost exclusively a Lawfare targeting mechanism.

The Dept of Justice unilaterally focuses all criminal investigative resources against the political enemies of the Administrative State.

This is not to say Republicans are targets, because often the republicans are beneficiaries of the targeting operation.  Think about the example of Main Justice working with the IRS to target the Tea Party groups in 2010 and 2011.

The Republicans were much more opposed to the Tea Party than the Democrats were.  The professional republican apparatus was furious about the primary victories of the Tea Party, and subsequently benefitted from the DOJ targeting of the various patriot movements.

FBI HQ left, Main Justice HQ right

Main Justice targets individuals, organizations and systems that government officials and politicians determine are a threat to the power structure.  The Intelligence Community use their ability to conduct electronic surveillance to discover evidence against their targets.  The IC then feeds the evidence to Main Justice giving them the targeting coordinates.  The DOJ takes action based on the information from the IC, often using the FBI as the enforcement mechanism.

The entire structure of Main Justice as an institution is corrupt, top to bottom.  Much like the FBI, there is no agency, office, or subsidiary set of personnel within the DOJ that is not compromised by the modern mission of the organization.  This is a critical point to accept, because if it is not accepted then we repeat the mistakes of thinking an Attorney General alone can correct the problem. They cannot.

Within the DOJ there are several divisions that must be addressed simultaneously if any effort to take it down to brass tacks is going to succeed.  This cannot be a delicate surgical approach, the effort to remove the corrupt lesion will need chainsaws not scalpels.  The fine surgical details and cleaning will be for the next administration.

The interior silos each have an important role, and they include:

(1) the DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD),

(2) the DOJ Civil Rights Division,

(3) the DOJ-Community Relations Service (DOJ-CRS), and

(4) the DOJ Inspector General’s Office.   

These are the four key agencies within the larger Main Justice system that must be addressed from DC.

Of those FOUR AGENCIES, the single most important one is the DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD).  This is the interior silo that was corrupted from its origin and remained intentionally without Inspector General oversight until 2017.

When we think of the common Lawfare targeting the enemies of the Deep State like Donald Trump, that’s the core purpose of the DOJ-NSD.

DOJ-NSD: […] ” The National Security Division (NSD) was created in March 2006 by the USA PATRIOT Reauthorization and Improvement Act (Pub. L. No. 109-177). The creation of the NSD consolidated the Justice Department’s primary national security operations: the former Office of Intelligence Policy and Review and the Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence and Export Control Sections of the Criminal Division. The new Office of Law and Policy and the Executive Office, as well as the Office of Justice for Victims of Overseas Terrorism (which previously operated out of the Criminal Division) complete the NSD. The NSD commenced operations in September 2006 upon the swearing in of the first Assistant Attorney General for National Security.” (link)

The DOJ-NSD hides behind the justification of “national security” to cloud their activity.  In many ways the DOJ-NSD and the CIA have the same cover story that allows them virtually omnipotent power.

The President has previously been hamstrung by the claimed importance and power of agencies under the guise of national security.  As you can see from the origin, the Legislative Branch created the beast then cowered away from oversight.  The worst outcome stemmed from the Judicial Branch who historically deferred to the national security apparatus.

To understand the dynamic with the Judicial Branch it is worth looking at the outcome of the DOJ-NSD targeting President Trump on the issue of classified records.  Check the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals framing.

As you can see the DOJ-NSD knows how to use “national security” as a sword and a shield.  This is essentially the issue now created by the DOJ-NSD targeting President Trump.

With the Legislative Branch compromised by their own creation, and with the Judicial Branch stuck inside an old paradigm of “national security” you can see how confronting the DOJ-NSD can only come from one place, THE OVAL OFFICE.

The President of the United States, hopefully Donald J Trump, is going to have to do what the other branches have failed to do, take apart the DOJ-NSD and remove all the functions of Main Justice to their pre-Patriot Act status.  This is not going to be easy and will take a very specific type of person as U.S. Attorney General who both understands the issue and can, more importantly, articulate the problem to the larger American public.

So, we have some context for the positions that will be important.  We need:

♦ An Attorney General (AG);

♦ A Deputy Attorney General (DAG);

♦ An Asst Deputy AG in charge of the NSD;

♦ An Asst Deputy AG in charge of the Civil Rights Division.

♦ And we need a key person in charge of the ultra-secretive DOJ Community Relations Service.

We need more, but these are the most critical positions to cover – AND REMEMBER, not a single person who has ever worked in Main Justice should ever be considered a candidate for any leadership position in 2025.   If they worked in the corrupt DOJ system, they are corrupt – I do not care what capacity they worked in it before.

♦ The AG needs to be ultra clean with a spine of steel and a laser focus. 

The AG needs to totally understand the goals and objectives, without being told what the goals and objectives are.  The AG needs to be independent, stable, strategic, brutally honest and keenly confident in his/her communication style with the attack media.

President Trump cannot spend exhaustive time instructing the AG on critical priorities.  The AG needs to operate with skill, focus and self-motivated energy.   The AG will be the focus of the Lawfare crew for removal/recusal. (Weissmann, McCord, Eisen, etc.)

♦ The Deputy AG needs to be intensely capable to stay on task with minimal supervision. 

The DAG is the git-r’-done person, no excuses, no apologies, no explanations.  Raw, brutal, cold, quiet and determined.  The DAG needs eyes of a mouse and ears of an elephant.  The DAG needs to be a sponge, with total loyalty to the mission.  The DAG also needs to be the bridge to the FBI.

♦ The Asst DAG in charge of the NSD will be walking into the heart of Obama/Holder’s created snake pit. 

This DOJ-NSD position covers Foreign Agent Registration Act violations (targeting) as well as the weaponized FISA constructs.  The person put into this silo needs to completely understand the dynamic of the DOJ-NSD as the source of the most weaponized aspects.

♦ The Asst DAG in charge of the Civil Rights Division will be critical for all elements of election reform. 

The ADAG-CRD is going to be attacked, called racist and blasted by the Lawfare operatives.   The Civil Rights Division DAG will be targeted by Marc Elias and hundreds of activist lawyers inside every aligned non-governmental agency who depend on the DOJ for enforcement and lawfare support.

♦ The person in charge of the Community Relations Service will need to head-off the FBI constructs and false flag attacks targeting the Trump administration. 

The CRS leadership will need to protect all of the DOJ team from the Antifa/BLM efforts as they are manufactured by the FBI silo operators. The head of the CRS needs to be intensely “anti-woke.”


18 posted on 11/10/2024 4:35:58 PM PST by Bratch
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To: WeaslesRippedMyFlesh

Hope the FBI didn’t bug Mar a Lago during their panty raid.


19 posted on 11/10/2024 4:38:37 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Harpazo imminent. Each post may be my last. It's been real =)
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To: Bratch
Nice post Bratch.
20 posted on 11/10/2024 4:54:02 PM PST by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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