US/EU $50B Rus Asset Ukr Loan Plan Fails; Ukr Officers Flee Vuhledar; Rus Encircles Ukr Troops Kursk (My notes on 1 hr 30 min video)

RUMBLE ^ | 09/17/2024 | Alexander Mercouris, vanity

[ransomnote]

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[jerod]

The reason why the iron curtain fell was because NATO outspent Communist Russia... And the economic situation in Russia isn’t improving... It’s deteriorating... So this whole article appears to be based on nonsense.

NATO would rather have Ukraine fight against and weaken Russia with Ukrainian troops, than with NATO troops... So the money is there for the Ukrainians, and it always will be there for them.

[Farmerbob]

I’ll read it later. Right now I’m watching clips of the Toropets ammo facility burn. 2.5+ on the Richter scale!

[E. Pluribus Unum]

NATO would rather have Ukraine fight against and weaken Russia with Ukrainian troop

Who cares how many Ukrainians die? There are plenty more where they came from.

[ganeemead]

[alexander_busek]

Right now I’m watching clips of the Toropets ammo facility burn. 2.5+ on the Richter scale!

I'm glad to learn that the thousands of Russian civilians in nearby towns and villages were evacuated, thus minimizing the danger to innocents. Supposedly, 30 kilotons in conventional explosives have gone up in smoke. The facility, itself, has been destroyed beyond repair. This is a serious blow to the Russian war-machine.

Who but a Russian Putin operative, agent, or at least sympathizer would lament this?

Regards,

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled US/EU $50B Rus Asset Ukr Loan Plan Fails; Ukr Officers Flee Vuhledar; Rus Encircles Ukr Troops Kursk (My notes on 1 hr 30 min video), alexander_busek wrote:

Right now I’m watching clips of the Toropets ammo facility burn. 2.5+ on the Richter scale!

I'm glad to learn that the thousands of Russian civilians in nearby towns and villages were evacuated, thus minimizing the danger to innocents. Supposedly, 30 kilotons in conventional explosives have gone up in smoke. The facility, itself, has been destroyed beyond repair. This is a serious blow to the Russian war-machine.

Who but a Russian Putin operative, agent, or at least sympathizer would lament this?

Regards,

I don't care if ammo dumps burn. People like me who know that the Ukraine is losing the war anyway may at least wonder 'why bother?' I guess, Ukrainian ego? "Yes, we lost the war, but we DID blow up that ammo dump." Is it very important PR because Zelensky is going to New York to present his 'plan for victory' and he needs this photo op of a burning ammo dump?

Maybe for the soldiers, it's all the sacrifices of lives and limbs made, so many attempts thwarted, so that it feels cathartic to at least get to watch the flames? 

In the article I posted as the OP, Mercouris points out that the Ukrainian soldiers trapped in a coal mine, surrounded by Russians, should be allowed to surrender - it's the humane, intelligent thing to do. They can then be traded back to Ukraine in the routine prisoner exchanges they have. Mercouris doesn't think the Ukraine will allow it - once again, people like me wonder 'why bother' refusing to let those men surrender? Why waste lives? Ukrainian pride/ego? The need for public relations? Is that what's wasting lives and limbs?

Zelensky told Syrskyi that he has to hold the line (Donbas) for Zelensky's meeting in New York - so Syrskyi pulled troops from all over to reinforce those two places in Donbas. How that must feel for the soldiers left stripped of support, again. These are all public relations moves, not military strategy. What a waste of lives and human effort.

Prayers up, may the trapped soldiers be allowed to surrender!

I shudder to think of the sacrifices being made ahead of that meeting in New York Zelensky is going to attend. What if they say 'no' to more money, after more Ukrainian lives (e.g., coal mine trap, Kursk, Donbas) are forfeited to make a good impression while asking for money?

[MalPearce]

I approve this Vranyo message.

So 130,000 Russians with the best commanders are in the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts, which are still internationally accepted (even by China and Hungary) as Ukrainian land.

So regardless of what Retard Russia argues, this does present a legitimate target for our Storm Shadows.

Ukraine can keep twatting Retard Russia’s munitions stores with home grown drones while they turn the Kadyrov rearguard and the remnants of Russia’s more competent invasion force into fertilizer.

Let’s see Putin’s Vranyo machine spin that loss as the eleven time zone gangster state’s concept of conducting a self defense exercise.

[alexander_busek]

Armaments equivalent to 30 kilotons of conventional explosives were destroyed. Armaments which had been under the command of Autocrat Putin (friend of crazy North Korean dictators, Syrian dictators, Iranian mullahs, etc.) have been taken out of circulation. Armaments which one day could have been employed against Western troops (and civilians!) have been removed from the equation - and at no cost to Ukrainian lives.

A purely military installation has been destroyed - and you are quibbling, "expressing concern," casting aspersions, as well as distracting and diverting attention to unrelated matters.

Ukraine has won a major victory today. Let us hope that many more days like this follow!

Regards,

[Lockbox]

Well. No one in the West seems to have prepared for the loss of the Ukraine War. Russia and our enemies have been busy making an alternative monetary system. Winners tend to punish losers! Thank you our great leaders! Now the West will pay, pay for the loss and payback time for the war. Russia and their allies (the hate the West crowd) will get their pound of flesh!

The West has been busy during this time importing the seeds of our destruction. Way to go leaders, you didn’t think that these immigrants who have Zero loyalty to any Western nation would not want their pound of flesh if the opportunity arose?

[rxh4n1]

Get lost. We don’t need help from Russia and the likes of you. Russia is hardly a beacon of liberty.

[rxh4n1]

“The US Administration has been testing the idea in Congress of another big donation to Ukraine. The response was strongly negative from all sides this time.”

“this time” is the key. Wait for the lame duck Congress in December. A lame duck session after the election is when the real dirty work is done.

[Cronos]

To your points

1. "No one in the west seems to have prepared for the loss of the Ukraine war" -- I would disagree on the premise as well as the "preparedness":
   • The preparedness: Next to everyone in Feb 2022 was expecting Ukraine to lose and be left a rump state until Putin came back for more (his salami tactics). People were still thinking this would happen until September 2022. Today the Baltics and Poland hope that Ukraine would regain the area lost since Feb 2022, but know that the worst case scenario is a frozen conflict with the borders more or less where they fall now.
   • The premise: "the loss of the Ukraine war" - the Ukraine war from Feb 2022 was about Ukraine retaining its independence from the Kremlin. That was won with the win at the battle of Hostomel and cemented with Ukraine taking back Kharkiv and Kherson.
     
     
2. "busy making an alternative monetary system" - there is nothing more than talk right now. As I've continuously said - India does not trust China and will not actively participate in something that will make its rivals stronger. It is in BRICs to ensure that China doesn't get too much of a step up. Furthermore, both India and China do most of their trade with SWIFT systems.
   
   
3. "Winners tend to punish losers" - I would remind you that the war is between Muscowy (the invader) and Ukraine (the invaded). Even if Muscowy loses and loses the Donbas and Crimea, this doesn't negatively affect China or India (it actually HELPs them as they get a subservient Muscowy).
   
   
4. "Now the west will pay, for the loss and time for the war" -- perhaps you haven't paid attention - Russia invaded in 2014 and had been menacing Ukraine since 2007. Have you noted that it was Russia that started this?
   
   
5. "Russia and their allies" - Russia's allies are just Syria and Iran (the Iranian government) and North Korea. And even with these, there is no NATO equivalent.

[Cronos]

ransomnote I don't care if ammo dumps burn.

You should care - ammunition destroyed hits the logistics for Muscowy, which have been bad since Feb 2022

ransomnote People like me who know that the Ukraine is losing the war -- as I've said from I think around August 2022, Ukraine "won" the war in the sense of being still independent of the Kremlin. That is still the case. Do you really think that that is going to change anytime soon?

[rxh4n1]

“Ukraine has won a major victory today. Let us hope that many more days like this follow!”

indeed, it is wonderful news. It means they are doing this without our long-range missiles. Since they are so successful without them, we don’t have to risk war with Russia now.

[alexander_busek]

It means they are doing this without our long-range missiles. Since they are so successful without them, we don’t have to risk war with Russia now.

Twisted logic!

When Russia has been pushed back / has retreated to its pre-2014 borders, then we can talk about reducing aid.

Regards,

[JonPreston]

So the money is there for the Ukrainians, and it always will be there for them.

Yet another delusional Canadian take on American foreign policy.

[JonPreston]

Why would Americans listen to foreigners, especially one who is a Libertarian?

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