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1 posted on 07/16/2024 10:15:24 PM PDT by pigeoninthepark
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It can’t be done. There is only one earth. There is no control earth to test it with. They cannot account for or control the many variables. They cannot go backwards or forwards in time.


2 posted on 07/16/2024 10:25:19 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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In a way the experiment has been done. In commercial Greenhouses there are devices which generate CO2. It helps the plants grow faster. In fact because of the man made release of CO2 the World has actually become greener .


3 posted on 07/16/2024 10:27:12 PM PDT by Nateman (Democrats did not strive for fraud friendly voting merely to continue honest elections.)
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They always say the temperature is going up (or down in the 70’s). Here’s a simple question: Ask them what the temperature should be. They don’t have a number.


5 posted on 07/16/2024 10:28:17 PM PDT by FredSchwartz (What ever happened to common sense and simple logic?)
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Step 5 says "Analyze Your Data" it doesn't say,
"fudge your data" or "cherry pick your data" or
just plain make stuff up (models) but that's
what's going on.
6 posted on 07/16/2024 10:29:41 PM PDT by StACase ("The Climate Crisis" is a text book example of "The Big Lie")
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Leave my CO2 alone! I like my soda with lots of CO2, more the merrier. /s


7 posted on 07/16/2024 10:31:08 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Trump / Vance 2024 - Make America Great Again)
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Never...
Facts & scientific analyses would screw up the whole essential propaganda campaign for the communists who, now, rule us...


8 posted on 07/16/2024 10:56:43 PM PDT by SuperLuminal ( Where is Samuel Adams when we so desperately need him)
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No, because it can’t be done. There is no way to account for all the variables and no lab to set up and repeat any experiments in.


9 posted on 07/16/2024 11:04:41 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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They use computer models as their experiments. Nobody understands what they program in or what variables or values they plug in because it’s so complicated, and being unable to dispute the results they accept them. The computer models or simulations serve as the step 4.


10 posted on 07/16/2024 11:06:15 PM PDT by webheart
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1. Ask a Question What does it take to show a warming trend?

2. Do Background Research ***cherry picking***

3. Construct a Hypothesis Some BS about cow farts, etc.

4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment Push a fake study to some low-tier rags, gauge response.

5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion ***cherry picking intensifies***

6. Communicate Your Results Hello WaPo/NYT/ABC/CBS/NPR/UN

Right?

13 posted on 07/16/2024 11:32:04 PM PDT by John Robinson (🍺)
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Amendment 28

     Section 1

     Congress shall make no law to regulate,
     tax, sequester or license atmospheric
     carbon dioxide.

     The right of the people to freely emit
     carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from
     any source, from any place at any time
     in any amount shall not be interfered with.

     Section 2

     All activity commercial or private within
     the United States and all territory subject
     to the jurisdiction thereof for the purposes
     of altering climate is prohibited.

     The Congress and the several States shall
     have concurrent power to enforce this article
     by appropriate legislation.

14 posted on 07/16/2024 11:35:19 PM PDT by StACase ("The Climate Crisis" is a text book example of "The Big Lie")
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In all seriousness, it’s an incredibly frustrating subject to research because of baked-in political agendas and, most critically, scientific self-censorship. Going against the “scientific” narrative is catastrophic for your reputation, research, and career. This has always been a problem, fwiw. But there are some mavericks out there, I just don’t remember how to find them at the moment, ‘lest I link. Prevailing alternative theories generally seem to revolve around various long cycles, and of course our hot little star up there in the blue (solar winds.) Speaking of solar winds, which are a key element to cloud formation, one curious matter is that science doesn’t quite understand cloud effect and climate. You’d think we might want to tackle that before we pronounce the cows must go.


17 posted on 07/16/2024 11:49:31 PM PDT by John Robinson (🍺)
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Turn a blank sheet of paper sideways. On the left write “weather event” in small letters, draw a circle around the words, and then draw a small arrow pointing to the right side. On the far right, write the words "manmade climate change” in small letters, draw a circle around the words, and then draw a small arrow pointing to the circle.

Is there not a large blank space in the middle? Do you ever see a story which fills in this area? Do you ever read a story that uses words like sun and ocean? Their models are no more than mathematical political rhetoric belong within the right-hand circle.

I will submit there is no evidence of man-made global warming because no adherent to the popular mythology will acknowledge the existence of the sun and oceans. All I have ever seen are comments on weather events or physical phenomenon involving temperature followed by an assertion global warming is the cause. In the hard sciences of Math and Physics, the earth’s climate is known as an open system, meaning all influencers are probabilistic and not deterministic. Any assertions must be less than certain, but we are always treated to infallibility statements like those for the boiling point of water. Such reasoning requires a complete disconnect between events and conclusions, and is no more rigorous than Middle Age alchemy.

I have yet to find any article which attempts to measure the influence of the sun and ocean and then ascribe an increment to human activity. It was only since the late 70’s that it was possible to attempt to confirm changes in the sun’s radiance independent of earth. Without a rigorous solution involving those two enormous engines, models created provide outcomes no more elegant than what is left behind when a brand new puppy is turned loose in a house decorated with white carpets and white furniture.

Even before that time any true scientist would have said data collected could not be analyzed, because people had known for centuries the sun was a variable star and it was not possible to separate influences for any mathematical computations. Now that it is possible to separate the influence of the sun but not the oceans, the analysis of such a complicated interaction is still highly problematic. Therefore, political rhetoric must be substituted for application of the scientific method.

19 posted on 07/16/2024 11:52:17 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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Of course not. This isn’t about science.


20 posted on 07/17/2024 12:29:07 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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Many brilliant scientists have concluded that global warming is a farce but if people want to believe it and commit stupid it’s all up to them


21 posted on 07/17/2024 12:44:26 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism )
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There is no way to test the GW theory, and that is why they chose carbon as the evil element to control us! And it, science, is NEVER over, settled, finished, especially when there are so many factors involved that affect the outcome.

This is about power, not the climate. It is about making us give up our rights voluntarily for what is being sold as the common good in a communistic lie.

This is the politics of peer pressure propaganda, to propagate power plays against our individual constitutional rights.


25 posted on 07/17/2024 1:53:39 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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this climate change business is meant to establish a brow beating priesthood who preach a salvation of denial, tax-tithing, and forever subjugation for an adjusted target level plus one.


29 posted on 07/17/2024 3:03:48 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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“Notice step 4: “Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment””

With the best scientific technology on the planet, the best the warmageddon scientists can come up with is, “could cause” a catastrophe. “Could” means they don’t know.

However, in the name of science I propose the following.

1. Israel & Egypt collaborate and pick a spot in Sinai for a new Palestinian homeland.
2. Israel along with other countries leverage their technology and build the new Palestinian state as a “100% green” country. This means all infrastructure, vehicles, and other materials used are only green.
3. The UN moves to the new Palestinian country to show global unity around this historical moment in history.
5. Palestinians from around the world move to the new Palestine.
6. Dignitaries from around the world come to the new Palestinian country to celebrate the ribbon cutting of the new Palestine and laud the new “Green Country” as the model for the rest of the world.

Then, nuke the place from orbit just to be sure.


31 posted on 07/17/2024 3:57:29 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Paging Dr. Bandy Lee. Dr. Lee please pick up the white courtesy phone.)
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“Obviously we cannot make a perfect replica of the earth on any scale,”
Actually we can..sort of.

Mars is smaller than earth but has a land area close enough (no oceans). The suns rays are less powerful there,but during the martian summer the surface temperature reaches 25 C at midday. The atmosphere, though thin, is 93% CO2, but at night it does not hold any heat. It all radiates away. in absolute terms there is 10X the amount of CO2 as there is on earth. in the thin atmosphere we still fly a helicopter there.

No discernible greenhouse effect to see on mars.


33 posted on 07/17/2024 3:59:48 AM PDT by JeanLM
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They don’t have to be scientific. They use the ‘media’.


37 posted on 07/17/2024 4:11:18 AM PDT by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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The Climate Change cultists think they have proven there is manmade climate change underway when all they have is about 150-200 years or so of empirical weather data. This is nothing compared to the age of the Earth.

To draw firm conclusions on global temperature movements, they actually need millions of years of data.
42 posted on 07/17/2024 4:29:05 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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