[popdonnelly]

You haters of Ukraine will certainly go a long way to stretch the truth.

[Robert DeLong]

I actually have great concern for Ukraine, which is why I have supported a peaceful resolution all along. Ukraine would still have complete control of all of their land, including the Crimea, had they rejected the overtures from the west to join NATO. They paid a heavy price & so will we by pushing Putin & Russia into China's arms instead of normalizing relations with them, just as we did with Germany, Japan, & Italy after the USSR imploded. NATO could have become an even stronger coalition, had we taken in Russia, to fight the radical nations of NK, China & Iran. What a stupid move by our stupid leaders & the neocons who think of using the military instead of diplomacy.

That could have been an easy accomplishment, by backing off of the NATO expansion into Ukraine.

In 2004 Putin stated quite clearly that Russia & Putin deemed that they would consider NATO expansion into either Georgia or Ukraine would be red lines that they would not tolerate.

So, 4 years later they tried to get Georgia to revolt against Russia, which they did, and Putin went in and put down the rebellion.

Instead of respecting Russia's legitimate concern for their national security, they then turned their efforts to bring Ukraine into NATO.

Our intentions regarding Ukraine were to make it a vassal state of the US. In the process we knew this would guarantee that Russia would react as they finally did. First the coup d'état of the duly elected President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, which prodded Putin to retake the Crimea. Then Putin still worked to come to a peaceful resolution with the two Minsk Accords.

Instead, they ignored the Minsk Accords knowing full well, that in time that would provoke Putin to eventually take military action.

Which he finally did, but it wasn't a full onslaught of Ukraine, like the US has unleashed upon Iraq, which is what all of the analysts expected.

Within a few weeks of the incursion, Putin & Zelenskyy sat down and had agreed to Russia returning all land that they controlled, except for Crimea that Russia deemed a national security issue., and would totally withdraw their military forces,. All Ukraine was required to do was remain neutral and not join NATO. Then along came Boris Johnson & convinced Zelenskyy to not sign that peace agreement because he couldn't trust what Putin promised. He promised that NATO would back him.

Now they had what they wanted, a proxy war with the battleground being Ukraine, and the fighters the Ukrainian citizens.

I think you hate Ukraine, not me chump. Because like a chump you have bought into all of the propaganda, including the biggest lie, that being that Russia invaded Ukraine and that is was unprovoked.

Try listening to what John Mearsheimer has to say. If you are unaware of who John Mearsheimer is:

read John Mearsheimer's bio

[Allegra]

Please. Just stop with the “haters of Ukraine” drama queen nonsense.

Caring about how our tax dollars are appropriated does it make one a “hater of Ukraine.”

Remember, the majority of FReepers are not Ukrainian or Russian and do not have the emotional attachment you guys do. We just don’t like seeing the diapered guy sending billions of unaudited dollars to a known money laundering organization upon demand.