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Sejanus
World History Encyclopedia ^ | April 20, 2017 | Giacomo Presciuttini

Posted on 06/30/2024 11:04:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Sejanus' Fall
...Tiberius soon grew suspicious of his minister's ambitions... he acted slyly: he began promising Sejanus even greater honours, and probably also allowed him to marry Livilla; in the meantime, he began showing indirectly that the praefect had lost his favour. For example, he left the consulship in May and forced Sejanus to do the same; he began criticizing some of Sejanus' friends while praising others; and in his letters to the Senate, he stopped including Sejanus' titles. He began showing affection for his nephews Gaius (better known as Caligula), the last surviving son of Germanicus, and Tiberius Gemellus, Drusus' son, whom he summoned to Capri...

As soon as he saw that the number of Sejanus' supporters had diminished, Tiberius secretly appointed Sutorius Macro as praetorian prefect and sent him to Rome with precise instructions. In the night between 17th and 18th Macro entered Rome and met the praefect of vigiles, Laco, and the consul Regulus; the next day, he met Sejanus before the temple of Apollo on the Palatine, where the Senate meeting was to be held. Macro told him that a letter had arrived from Capri which would confer him the tribunicia potestas; the sign that he was to be the next emperor. However, when the letter was read... Tiberius first praised him, then criticized him and asked, at the end, to put Sejanus under arrest along with two senators linked to him.

Sejanus was immediately brought to Tullianum, Rome's jail. The people of Rome... could not forget what Sejanus had done to Agrippina, whom they loved. Sejanus' statues were torn down by an angry mob... He was strangled, his body exposed on the Gemonian stairs and then thrown in the Tiber (after being abused by people for 3 days)...

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; luciusaeliussejanus; romanempire; sejanus; sutoriusmacro; tiberius
...The fact that Sejanus's downfall came in 31 CE has a very significant impact on dating the death of Jesus. Only 30 or 33 CE are tenable years for Jesus' death. Pilate was probably Sejanus' appointee who actively carried out his anti-semitic policies, and thus was in danger after Sejanus was executed. The behavior of Pilate and the Jews during the trial of Jesus makes sense only after Sejanus' demise. Therefore, 33 CE is the preferable date for the death of Jesus.

1 posted on 06/30/2024 11:04:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/30/2024 11:04:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv
He began showing affection for his nephews Gaius

Anyone named Gay-Ass is probably queer.

3 posted on 06/30/2024 11:05:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (joesbucks is back. Let's remedy that! 😁)
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4 posted on 06/30/2024 11:08:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Crikes! A stark world was Rome at that time. And the dems want to drag us down to that swamp once again.


5 posted on 06/30/2024 11:23:49 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: SunkenCiv

They say it was payback for what happened to Piso. Piso was a long time supporter of the Claudians and Sejanus had a role in pressuring Tiberius into having him put on trial for poisoning Germanicus, which was never proven. Piso committed suicide.


7 posted on 06/30/2024 12:36:08 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: Lazamataz

I have a gray cat named Gaius-but he is neutered. I named him after Gaius Baltar-the good guy/bad guy obsessed with Six in the Battlestar Galactica TV series-not gay...


8 posted on 06/30/2024 1:58:09 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Apparently, if you trusted anyone then-you were a dead person before too long...


9 posted on 06/30/2024 2:00:09 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Patrick Stewart was a great Sejanus in the old “I Claudius” show.


10 posted on 06/30/2024 2:07:00 PM PDT by NewMexLurker
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To: NewMexLurker

John Rhys-Davies played Macro, supplanting Stewart/Sejanus and smothering with a pillow the aged, querelous pedophilic emperor Biden, er, Tiberius I mean !


11 posted on 06/30/2024 2:17:55 PM PDT by skepsel ("A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime", Mark Twain.)
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To: Texan5

OK, I think you were not referring to the original Battlestar Galactica.


12 posted on 06/30/2024 2:41:14 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister

No-the one on TV that had a lot of Canadian actors-I never saw the original.


13 posted on 06/30/2024 2:44:02 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: NewMexLurker

Yes he was!


14 posted on 06/30/2024 2:45:48 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

I never saw anything but the original.


15 posted on 06/30/2024 3:05:44 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: NewMexLurker

A skilled actor, a political a-hole.

“Weight it with stones. We’ll bury it at sea.”


16 posted on 07/01/2024 11:38:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: virgil

Unlikely, although Piso’s father had fought against the 1st triumvirate, against Caesar, and against Octavian, so the son’s activities in the east can be seen as rebellion.

OTOH, the family’s fortunes were restored after the suicide, and his widow was let off the hook.

Sejanus’ rise was well underway when Piso killed himself, but AFAIK there’s no trace of his involvement. Not much later he turned out to be a much more formidable threat. He married into the Claudian family, ultimately had interests that overlapped Tiberius’ own, and took the fall for the reign of terror that to some extent benefitted Tiberius.

Given the backstabbing that went on continually within the Julio-Claudian dynasty, I’m not too sure I’d have tried to climb that particular career ladder.

Antony’s kids with Cleopatra were well-kept and well married after they came under the protection of Augustus after A & C bit the big one. Their family lines seem to have drifted into obscurity in a few generations, which could mean they died out, but of course there isn’t a pristine archive of Roman birth records to consult.

Caesar and Antony were such hounds during military campaigns that it would be astonishing if they don’t have millions of descendants. More specifically, it’s very unlikely that such a line of descent could be proved.


17 posted on 07/01/2024 12:23:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: skepsel

Another from a great cast. In the BBC miniseries he had some nice scenes, then was referred to in the past tense. The real guy was promised a promotion, which was a ruse to remove him from the job, then killed himself. Sez here he left money in his will to build an amphitheater, not bad. ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Anfiteatro_di_Alba_Fucens_e_monte_Velino.jpg )

My first encounter in literature with Caligula and Tiberius (including the smothering scene) was in an Edgar Rice Burroughs novel (”I Am A Barbarian”), back in the 1970s when sword and sorcery paperbacks were in their heyday. :^)


18 posted on 07/01/2024 12:44:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/i-am-a-barbarian_edgar-rice-burroughs/819233/all-editions/


19 posted on 07/01/2024 12:57:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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