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To: Chad C. Mulligan

What habit do we need to unlearn?

Where have they gone? https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/06/24/tribal_nation_map_custom-c38486e67774d693c6fe163fa4ae839da8277e6c.jpg?s=900&c=85&f=webp. How did that happen?

I suppose we needed to liberate these lands.

How did that that become “American?”

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4jod869skee31.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D399515578d99207d0d49e537f898a8349f9542d5

Funny when we label these people as “illegals” today.

How did these become “possessions” or “territories?”

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3701sm.gct00483/?sp=35&st=image&r=-0.059,-0.524,1.111,1.763,0

But that’s all past tense, we’re entirely different today. Today we “liberate” countries by attacking, invading and occupying them, in the name of human rights, freedom, democracy, WMD and terrorism:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iraq-seeks-quick-exit-us-forces-no-deadline-set-pm-says-2024-01-10/

That was literally, about the 20th time we have been asked to leave in the last 21 years, in a country where less than 3% of the population approve of us being there (I wonder why our state department don’t publish those stats?) in what the majority sees as occupation.

No one, is willing to use force like we do (at the drop of a dime), and then we lecture others. No one has the size of “sphere of influence” we have, and then we lecture others about how they don’t have a right to such.

But... All you need to do is throw around terms like democracy, sovereignty, and human rights (as we torture, kidnap, engage in assassinations and co-sponsor terrorism). That makes it all good.

Some conceptual idea is used to “sell” another invasion, attack, coups where no national security argument can be made. Let me ask you this, did we sponsor the coups in Venezuela 2020 because we’re worried they might invade us? Attack us? What realistic threat did they pose? Do you think maybe it’s possible that the FACT (not some conceptual idea) that they are a major oil producers has something to do with it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020)#:~:text=Operation%20Gideon%20(Spanish%3A%20Operaci%C3%B3n%20Gede%C3%B3n,remove%20Nicol%C3%A1s%20Maduro%20from%20power.


364 posted on 06/29/2024 8:13:31 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6; Chad C. Mulligan
Let's see if I can "fisk" this one too...

Red6: "Where have they gone?
How did that happen?"

They're still here.
In the USA today there are nearly 10 million people of native American descent (not including Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren) which is roughly 3% of all Americans.
That is about double the number of US-American Indians alive in, say, the year 1500.
Today, around 20% of eligible Native Americans live on 326 reservations with a total area of about 87,000 square mile -- roughly the size of Minnesota or Michigan, which would make them the 12th largest state in the country.
It's also roughly 3% of the total US land area.

US Indian reservations are semi-sovereign, self-governing and subsidized by $billions annually from Federal government.

Were Native Americans always treated fairly?
No, obviously not, but for over the past 100 years Federal courts and Congress have paid out many $billions in compensation and reparations for our past wrong doings.

Red6: "How did that that become “American?”
Funny when we label these people as “illegals” today."

You might have forgotten, there was a war in 1846 which actually began with the Texas Revolution in 1836 and that had left a large area of disputed territory.
Those disputes resulted in the 1846 war, which the US won.

Today Hispanics make up almost 20% of the US population, and include huge numbers at all levels of elected and appointed government service.

Red6: "How did these become “possessions” or “territories?”"

In 1898 there was a war, the US won.
It's worth remembering:

  1. Cuban sovereignty was restored almost immediately.

  2. Philippine independence was granted in 1946, for the first time since circa 1565.

  3. Puerto Rico has voted several times to remain a US territory, rather than either a state or independent country.

  4. Guam has also discussed statehood and independence, though its size is only 1/3 of Rhode Island, its population only 1/4 of Wyoming, and its income is highly dependent on US military and other government services.
Red6: "But that’s all past tense, we’re entirely different today.
Today we “liberate” countries by attacking, invading and occupying them, in the name of human rights, freedom, democracy, WMD and terrorism:"

Exclusive: Iraq seeks quick exit of US forces but no deadline set, PM says
There is no doubt the US had a huge problem with Saddam Hussein, with the result that US forces are still in Iraq today, over 30 years later.
We're there at the current Iraq government's request and will leave if or when they ask us to, if not before.

Red6: "That was literally, about the 20th time we have been asked to leave in the last 21 years, in a country where less than 3% of the population approve of us being there (I wonder why our state department don’t publish those stats?) in what the majority sees as occupation."

No -- Iraq's current government, whatever its political posturing, has never requested a US withdrawal, much less set a date for it.

Red6: "No one, is willing to use force like we do (at the drop of a dime), and then we lecture others.
No one has the size of “sphere of influence” we have, and then we lecture others about how they don’t have a right to such.
But... All you need to do is throw around terms like democracy, sovereignty, and human rights (as we torture, kidnap, engage in assassinations and co-sponsor terrorism).
That makes it all good."

I'm certain you understand, there's a huge difference between murder and self-defense -- the one can get you executed as a criminal, for the other you might be awarded as a hero.
The difference is a matter of justice, and the US does its best to stay within the boundaries of internationally recognized law and justice.

By stark contrast, Russia is an aggressive dictatorship pursuing Ruskiy Mir empire building by whatever methods it deems necessary.

Red6: "Some conceptual idea is used to “sell” another invasion, attack, coups where no national security argument can be made.
Let me ask you this, did we sponsor the coups in Venezuela 2020 because we’re worried they might invade us?
Attack us?
What realistic threat did they pose?
Do you think maybe it’s possible that the FACT (not some conceptual idea) that they are a major oil producers has something to do with it?"

The fact is there is zero evidence -- none, nada, zilch evidence -- to support Russian propaganda claims that Pres. Trump's government had anything to do with "Operation Gideon" against Venezuela.

409 posted on 06/30/2024 10:11:56 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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