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To: Allegra

>>>>I honestly wonder why these leftists don’t go to a site more in line with their ideology like DU or Daily KOS. I guess they’re getting paid to disrupt this one.<<<<

Either they’re getting paid, or they’re extremely stupid.


155 posted on 06/23/2024 1:16:17 PM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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">>>>I honestly wonder why these leftists don’t go to a site more in line with their ideology like DU or Daily KOS. I guess they’re getting paid to disrupt this one.<<<<<"

bimboeruption: "Either they’re getting paid, or they’re extremely stupid."

So, let's begin here -- if Ronald Reagan is now a "leftist" and Russians are somehow "conservative", then Russian propaganda has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams during Reagan's lifetime.

And let's acknowledge the core of the pro-Russian argument, repeated here cheerfully: "I don’t want my tax dollars going unaudited to a known money laundering operation."
In short, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is none of our business.

The core of the pro-Ukraine argument has three elements:

  1. When a man is being murdered or a woman raped, you can't stand by and pretend you're "neutral", since that in fact favors the murderer and rapist.

  2. The danger to the US is the same as in any number of historical analogies, from the invasion of Ethiopia in 1935 to China in 1936, to Austria in 1938, Czechoslovakia in 1939, and many more, all were "not our business" until they suddenly became our business on December 7, 1941.

  3. Like the Old Soviet Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda (Agitprop) virtually 100% of information that originates from today's Russian government is a lie.
    You repeat Russian lies at the peril of your own integrity.
In 1940 something like 80% of Americans opposed sending "American boys" to fight in "foreign wars", and opponents weren't all midwestern conservative isolationists.
Some were leftist Democrats who took their sympathies from Moscow and were happy to let Hitler and Stalin divvy up Poland and the Baltic Countries.

US Communists' support for isolationism ended when Hitler invaded the Old Soviet Union, but still the vast majority of Americans did not want the US to fight the war.
They were, however, totally OK with FDR's Lend Lease plan for sending $billions to mainly Britain but also to France, the USSR and Nationalist China.

This is where we are today, with the vast majority of Americans opposed to sending US troops to fight in Ukraine, but willing to support aid to Ukrainians.
Still, many anti-Ukers today don't recognize the dangers posed by the New Axis of Evil Dictators and insist that costs and risks from opposing such dictators are greater than from letting evil have its way, and so they don't even support US aid to Ukraine.

Where do Republicans stand?
I looked up swing-state Pennsylvania's congressional vote on Ukraine aid.
Pennsylvania has eight Republican congressmen and in April five voted for aid to Ukraine, two voted against and one abstained.

Here on Free Republic, if this thread is any indicator, then our anti-Ukers outnumber and out-post pro-Ukrainers by roughly two to one, and anti-Ukers are highly proficient in mocking, insulting and personal attacks on those who support Ukraine.
They also seem to enjoy protections from the "powers that be" who would not tolerate such behavior from the rest of us.

Finally, it's worth remembering that since the 1968 anti-war riots at the Chicago Democratic National Convention, any Americans who opposed war in principle -- such as religious pacifists or libertarians -- had only one political home, and that was the Democrats, who consistently opposed military actions led by Republican presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush.
Now that Democrats are leading their own semi-war in Ukraine, I think Donald Trump sees an opportunity to win back some votes which would not support previous "war monger" Republicans.

Whether this will cost Trump enough old-style Reagan Conservative votes to lose this election is unknown now, though polls suggest that it won't.

Bottom line is that we do neither Donald Trump nor Free Republic any favors if we let the acrimony between pro and anti-Ukrainers get so high it drives people away from the site and from voting for Donald Trump.

imho yrmv

156 posted on 06/24/2024 3:48:11 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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