Posted on 05/25/2024 2:09:16 PM PDT by Jonty30
Remember the “New Atheists”? They were a big deal 15 or so years ago, bashing irrationality and superstition in bestselling books like “The God Delusion,” “The End of Faith” and “God Is Not Great.” Some of them ultimately ended up as believers, others turned to ayahuasca, and Richard Dawkins recently admitted to being a “cultural Christian.” He still doesn't believe in the big J.C., but acknowledges his worldview was shaped in a Christian context.
In a similar way, I've always been a cultural libertarian. A son of the Mountain West, my traditional conservatism is heavily dosed with a “leave me the hell alone” contempt for Washington, Wall Street and anyone else who dares to tell me what to do. It’s more instinct than ideology. When policy wonks argue how government can best solve a problem, I’m the guy in back muttering, “Why should government be involved at all?”
That said, I’ve never described myself as a full-blown libertarian—never joined the party, haven’t even read “Atlas Shrugged.” Despite admiring the libertarian movement, I’ve always sensed a hollowness at its core that didn’t jibe with human nature.
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You know what? I don’t care about your unique and personal politics and how they differ from the liberal libertarianism you promote.
Every libber wants to promote libertarianism and then argue that they are unique and don’t have any of the unpleasantries attached to it, they try to mirror whatever left or right audience they are selling to.
This is a conservative site, if you are conservative then why not just say you are conservative.
From Wikipedia:
The non-aggression principle (NAP), also called the non-aggression axiom, is the legal or moral rule that states that any person is permitted to do everything with their property except aggression, which is in turn defined as the initiation of forceful action, which is in turn defined as 'the application or threat of' 'physical interference (property breach) or fraud (contract breach)', any of which without consent. The principle is also called the non-initiation of force. The principle incorporates universal enforceability.
Whatever happened to “rugged individualism”?
Whatever happened to “self-determination”?
America, founded on those principles, has whored berself out to the “we can take ccare of you because we know better” crowd.
That krewe has now become hre “ whadayaneedthatfir,” krewe.
That krewe has, also become, the “youcantsaythat” krewe.
None of this happened without the SILRENT acceptance by some, and the vociferous threats of others.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE “HECK NO, I AIN’T BUYING THAT! NOW SHADDUP!”
“minimal government” is one thing.
Acting like maniacs is another.
I never thought of Libertarians as bafoons is what they are.
Don’t agree with us...conservative republicans...GO YOUR OWN WAY...WITHOUT ME.
“ Mankind used to be busy in the individual need to survive, to eat and become comfortable.”
Mankind did not exist until he lived in bands, or communities.
I learned something that was surprising recently:
LIBERATARIANS WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!!!!
How nutsy is that??????
I can/t believe that I once thought they had sone sense,
OK, I’ll bite...
All republicans are conservatives, true or false?
There are 2 kinds of libertarians..
The capital L libertarians, your typical ron paul nut job types, and...
small l libertarians, which are simply pissed off conservatives.
If the libertarian party changed it’s views on abortion and immigration, I would be all in.
My somewhat standard response is...
Where in that pesky constitution thingie, is the fed granted this right?
Most of what the fed does today is not a right assigned to it by the constitution.
Damn the lawyers and the judges.
Most libertarians are libertarians for themselves and not their fellow man. When it comes to their fellow man, they are socialists that want you to pay for nice things for them. They are fakes, self interested people.
My political positions comes from the Golden Rule, Do unto others what you would have others do to you.
So, in light of that, what do I want? I want the ability to live my life as I see fit without being made a servant of my fellow man.
Since that is what I want, that is what for you. At most, I want good information to make good decisions, but I want to be free to make those decisions and reap the reward of those positions. That is what I want for you too.
Every philosophy has its limits. Natural law rules everything.
I suspect those libertarians are really socialists. They want open borders to collapse the economy.
You are probably a libertarian nationalist. Within your country, you want maximum freedom. Towards the world, you want mile high walls.
Me too.
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Because being a Conservative has become too broad a descriptor. I agree that I am a Conservative libertarian or Goldwater Republican which is the same thing. That does not go against my assertion that I am a small "l" libertarian. I need to emphasize that, in order to separate myself from the War Hawk Neo-Cons who might be considered to be grouped in with Conservatives.
Yes.
I never promoted liberal libertarianism.
This is a contradiction in terms “Conservative libertarian”
conservatives are not liberals, you are a liberal that shares some positions with conservatives.
Liberals and libertarian is not the same thing. Liberals are socialists and libertarians, as the word is defined, is to the right of conservatism.
Having said that, every political position is a continuum. One can be to the left or right of somebody else who shares your beliefs.
I pointed that out, libertarians are liberals who lean right in some areas.
Unfortunately the areas they are liberal in make the conservative parts they claim to believe in impossible.
I know I've been brutally critical of Trump these past four years but I thought he was excellent yesterday.
He showed up to a hostile crowd, basically called them losers to their faces, then made a few deals (Trump makes deals. He wrote a book about it.) and undoubtedly earned himself a slice of the Libertarian vote.
And, he was hilarious. Classic Trump! The crowd was booing and there's Trump, calling them a bunch of three percenters.
I'll vote for Trump if for no other reason, the good vibes and comedy that he delivers.
True. I agree.
Have you ever heard of a classical liberal?
Classical liberalism gained full flowering in the early 18th century, building on ideas starting at least as far back as the 16th century, within the Iberian, British, and Central European contexts, and it was foundational to the American Revolution and "American Project" more broadly.[6][7][8] Notable liberal individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[9] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on classical economics, especially the economic ideas as espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations, and on a belief in natural law,[10] social progress,[11] and utilitarianism.[12] In contemporary times, Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Thomas Sowell, George Stigler, Larry Arnhart, Ronald Coase and James M. Buchanan are seen as the most prominent advocates of classical liberalism.I am a Conservative, yet I acknowledge my roots and inspirations.However, other scholars have made reference to these contemporary thoughts as neoclassical liberalism, distinguishing them from 18th-century classical liberalism.[15][16]
Look at these words from the Republican Liberty Caucus:
Liberty Compact: A Candidate's PledgeBarry Goldwater was the political founder of our modern day Conservative movement when he wrested control of the Republican Party from the liberal Rockefeller Republicans and paved the way for every Republican President since.The Liberty Compact is a written pledge inspired by the words of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) in his book, "Conscience of a Conservative," which promotes the belief that government isn't the solution, but all too often, the problem. The pledge reads as follows:
"I, (insert name), pledge to the citizens of the State of (insert state) and to the American people, that as their elected representative I will work to: Restore liberty, not restrict it; shrink government, not expand it; reduce taxes, not raise them; abolish programs, not create them; promote the freedom and independence of citizens, not the interference of government in their lives; and observe the limited, enumerated powers of our Constitution, not ignore them."
You need to stop telling me what you think I am or am not, because you seem clueless about what a Conservative actually is.
Lest you try to say I am a social liberal I'll tell you, I am against abortion, transgenderism, gay marriage, trans competing against women, trans story hour, made up pronouns, female clergy, communism/fascism along with any or all of it's socialist mutations, nationalized healthcare, defunding the police, zero bail, plea-bargaining, the Democrat Party and many other things that most conservatives are against.
My wife of one month less than fifty years was a stay at home mother and only worked outside of our home for a couple of months at three different businesses over a couple of years. She, after being upset that men were trying to hit on her at work because she was such a heart stoppingly beautiful woman, asked me if she could give up working. Being the "liberal" husband that I am, I told her that was her choice, so she quit and never went back to work again. I've lived the life of a Conservative libertarian in its Classical definition. Ask my beautiful wife if you srtill don't believe me.
Libertarian conservatism advocates the greatest possible economic liberty and the least possible government regulation of social life (described as "small government"), mirroring laissez-faire classical liberalism, but harnesses this to a belief in a more socially conservative philosophy emphasizing authority, morality, and duty.[1] Primarily an American ideology, libertarian conservatism prioritizes liberty, promoting free expression, freedom of choice and free-market capitalism to achieve conservative ends while rejecting liberal social engineering.[9]I am not making this up.
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