308-Million-Year-Old Fossil Arachnid Is An 8-Legged Evolutionary Puzzle

IFL Science ^ | May 17, 2024 | LAURA SIMMONS

[Red Badger]

PinGGG!...........................

[ComputerGuy]

Ugly has been around for a while, looks like.

[Red Badger]

Notice that it is a fully developed creature, eyes, legs, etc.

308 million years ago it lived....................

[Right Brother]

Or it didn’t live 308 million years ago.

[Ken Regis]

Puzzle?

It’s not that old.

Solved it.

No charge.

[ganeemead]

"308 million years ago it lived...................."

The Earth is not 308M years old and evolution is a bunch of BS...

[FroggyTheGremlim]

Prehistoric creature

[Candor7]

Looks like a prehensile viscious bed bug to me.

Yikes!

[laplata]

You’re right.

[deport]

Earth is the third planet from the Sun and the only astronomical object known to harbor life. This is enabled by Earth being a water world, the only one in the Solar System sustaining liquid surface water. Almost all of Earth’s water is contained in its global ocean, covering 70.8% of Earth’s crust. Wikipedia
Age: 4.543 billion years
Distance from Sun: 92.96 million mi
Mass: 5.972 × 10^24 kg
Radius: 3,958.8 mi
Land area: 57.51 million mi²
Surface area: 196.9 million mi²
Population: 7.951 billion (2022) World Bank

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+old+is+the+earth&rlz=1CAXGER_enUS1094&oq=how+old+is+the+earth&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.5368j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[doc maverick]

Carbon dating is flawed theory. They have no known 308 million year old control carbon material to use.LOL! Also, there is zero proof that one species ever evolved onto another species. Atheists are befuddled when asked, “where did time and reality come from.” It blows their minds and they short circuit.

[redfreedom]

I tend to agree with you.

I used to be a believer in science. However the last several years science has proven to be nothing more than a scheme to make absolute lies proven facts. That “follow the science” BS of the covid era was the icing on the cake.

Anything with “science”, “study”, “fact checked” or “peer reviewed” is propaganda in my eyes.

Evolution cannot explain the complexity of the human being, in particular the brain. None of this just happened by accident or natural selection. It’s like saying a bunch of old Chevy and Ford parts in a junk yard just happened to reassemble themselves into a brand new Ferrari.

[ganeemead]

One problem is that the people who tell us that our planet is 4B years old are the same people who tell us that dinosaurs died out 65M years ago as if the soft tissue being found in dinosaur remains since 06 were just someone's imagination...

Evolution: Categories of Disproof

A proof or disproof is a kind of a transaction. There is no such thing as absolutely proving or disproving something; there is only such a thing as proving or disproving something to SOMEBODY'S satisfaction. If the party of the second part is too thick or too ideologically committed to some other way of viewing reality, then the best proof in the world will fall flat and fail.

In the case of evolution, what you have is a theory which has been repeatedly and overwhelmingly disproved over a period of many decades now via a number of independent lines reasoning and yet the adherents go on with it as if nothing had happened and, in fact, demand that the doctrine be taught in public schools at public expense and that no other theory of origins even ever be mentioned in public schools, and attempt to enforce all of that via political power plays and lawsuits.

At that point, it is clear enough that no disproof or combination of disproofs would ever suffice, that the doctrine is in fact unfalsifiable and that Carl popper's criteria for a pseudoscience is in fact met.

The educated lay person is not aware of how overwhelmingly evolution has been debunked over the last century.

The following is a minimal list of entire categories of evidence disproving evolution:

• The decades-long experiments with fruit flies beginning in the early 1900s. Those tests were intended to demonstrate macroevolution; the failure of those tests was so unambiguous that a number of prominent scientists disavowed evolution at the time.
• The discovery of the DNA/RNA info codes (information codes do not just sort of happen...)
• The fact that the info code explained the failure of the fruit-fly experiments (the whole thing is driven by information and the only info there ever was in that picture was the info for a fruit fly...)
• The discovery of bio-electrical machinery within 1-celled animals.
• The question of irreducible complexity.
• The Haldane Dilemma. That is, the gigantic spaces of time it would take to spread any genetic change through an entire herd of animals.
• The increasingly massive evidence of a recent age for dinosaurs. This includes soft tissue being found in dinosaur remains, good radiocarbon dates for dinosaur remains (blind tests at the University of Georgia's dating lab), and native American petroglyphs clearly showing known dinosaur types.
• The fact that the Haldane dilemma and the recent findings related to dinosaurs amount to a sort of a time sandwich (evolutionites need quadrillions of years and only have a few tens of thousands).
• The dna analysis eliminating neanderthals and thus all other hominids as plausible human ancestors.
• The total lack of intermediate fossils where the theory demands that the bulk of all fossils be clear intermediate types. "Punctuated Equilibria" in fact amounts to an attempt to get around both the Haldane dilemma and the lack of intermediate fossils, but has an entirely new set of overwhelming problems of its own...
• The question of genetic entropy.
• The obvious evidence of design in nature.
• The arguments arising from pure probability and combinatoric considerations.

Here's what I mean when I use the term "combinatoric considerations"...

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, the specialized system which allows flight feathers to pivot so as to open on upstrokes and close to trap air on downstrokes (like a venetian blind), a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through design heart and lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening, best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. In real life, it's even worse than that. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events.

I ask you: What could be stupider than that?

Fruit flies breed new generations every few days. Running a continuous decades-long experiment on fruit flies will involve more generations of fruit flies than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on Earth. Evolution is supposed to be driven by random mutation and natural selection; they subjected those flies to everything in the world known to cause mutations and recombined the mutants every possible way, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

Richard Goldschmidt wrote the results of all of that up in 1940, noting that it was then obvious enough that no combination of mutation and selection could ever produce a new kind of animal.

There is no excuse for evolution to ever have been taught in schools after 1940.

[Bonemaker]

"308-Million-Year-Old Fossil Arachnid ...."

[LastDayz]

Quick..... hook up a scan-tool and check the codes.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Red Badger.

[SunkenCiv]

• Longstanding Paleontology Mystery Solved – Revolutionary Fossil Find in Morocco Unveils Origins of Spiders and Scorpions | University of Lausanne | May 15, 2024 | Scitech Daily

[Texan5]

Interesting ugly critter-looks like a spider to me-I do enjoy your posts very much. I’m going to ignore the young-earthers here-because the “scientists” who were responsible for the plandemic and calling gender dysphoria anything but the mental illness it is-among other stupid things-were/are not paleontologists and do not have the many years of sensible reality-based education required in that field. In other words, they are semi-scientists at best. They barely know basic biology-they are an insult to the word “scientist”.

I’m a believer in intelligent design-all is carefully thought out and created by God-the Supreme Being. Many real scientists who say the Earth is really, really as old as the fossils indicate believe that way too. “What is a day in the eyes of God?” He is not bound by the mortal limitations of time...

[SunkenCiv]

Very well put.