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To: nopardons

Keep it coming.

I’m retired and love to read, and anything new and interesting I’ll gobble up.

IMHO, it was a mixed bag of nuts, but there was a large degree of Jew hatred in the US prior to WWII. Even Charles Lindbergh, FDR...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis. We would rather just forget that.

Again, my personal analysis for whatever that is worth, there were two big events where the perceptions of Jews in the US specifically changed to their advantage:

1). Darby and the influence he had on many Christian churches (starting ~ 1860s): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby. He redefined the relationship between Christians and Jews.

2). WWII after which the Holocaust and flood of stories, human rights accords, movies, books, poems, museums... put the plight of these people in the forefront of most Americans minds and the idea of any criticism became taboo.

You will find people that like, are neutral or dislike various groups everywhere. In Mexico you can find a lot of folks that dislike “Gringos,” and that varies over time in how many and how fervent this dislike is.

Regards the Jews in history, it is hard to put an exact number on it (not like you had Pew polls). You and I are using specific examples/observations to try to show a trend (inductive reasoning which is inherently inaccurate since I can bombard you with 100 examples, and you can bombard me with 100 examples).

But I would argue that it was more than just the Catholics and few examples you provided. Even the Protestants had no love for the Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

Different places had varying degrees of animosity towards the Jew over time, but over all, the Christian and European cultures had historically derogatory perceptions of these people.

For example, the reason why so many Jews lived in Germany prior to the Nazis is because it was historically one of the more tolerant, permissive, and accepting nations in Europe and many Jews fled from nearly everywhere. The Germans never had an inquisition and most big cities had a Jewish quarter until the Nazi era (example): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Judengasse. But just because the Germans were not persecuting the Jews like say in Spain, does not mean that they enjoyed positive perceptions by the Germans.

The hatred of Jews became near dogmatic and it wasn’t until more recent and secular times where this changed, especially in the US thanks to some theologians that turned 1,800 years upside down and WWII after which it was taboo to say anything which could be perceived as anti-Semitic.

Which brings us to the modern era, where kids ask why the Jews are looked down upon and are persecuted? This question alone shows a complete ignorance of history.


32 posted on 04/29/2024 6:12:20 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Few Jews in Germany prior to WW2.


33 posted on 04/29/2024 6:20:08 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Red6
First of all, Wiki has tons and tons of erroneous/inaccurate drivel on it, re most topic there.

Secondly, I have been fascinated by history of every sort all of my life and for a time, when I was a tween, Ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome were an obsession. And since I took 4 years of Latin, in high school, I had to read a LOT of ancient texts in LATIN, some of which did cover the Jews who lived inside and outside of Rome. Were these texts biased? Maybe, maybe not.

Not every European nation stuck their Jewish population in separate places; however we know, for a fact that the word GHETTO originated in Medieval Italy, where Jews had to not only live in one walled off area, but who were also made to wear strange headgear ( the men ), clothing, and only certain colors.

Russia was as bad...Jews had to live in the PALE!

Sans iPhone and the net, JEW HATRED began to spread throughout Europe and England in the middle Middle Ages like wild fire and they were expelled from them en mass. And this WAS due to the Catholic Church!

Some Eastern European nations did allow them to stay/take them in though.

Besides the whole nonsense re "THE JEWS KILLED JESUS", the blood libel which really WAS akin to the witch hunts, the fact that by law and the Catholic Church, some Jews wound up being money lenders. The people ( kings, nobles, aristos ) who borrowed, sometimes did NOT want to repay the loans, so harassed, tried, and sometimes killed those to whom they owed money to.

Look what the King of France and his pet Pope did to the Knights Templars and THEY were Roman Catholics!

And this stuff didn't ONLY happen to Jews or the Knights Templars!

The Catholic Church and the French powers went after and killed the Cathars.

The FRENCH RELIGIOUS WARS went after and killed the Protestant Huguenots, The Austrian Queen Maria Theresa also went after Protestants and Jews.

Re America...in Colonial times, Jews were NOT reviled nor hated.

There was a Protestant hierarchy, though, which looked down upon those sects which the elites considered to be of lower class; this was also true in the UK. Read Victorian era novels and you'll see many references to "church or chapel" in a class warfare way. And to some extent, that has lasted through at least the early 2000s!

Charles Lindbergh was an AMERICAN BUND MEMBER full on NAZI!

Woodrow Wilson was a nose in the air snob who LOVED the KKK! And for all of his college degrees he was an uneducated MORON and weakling, whom the Brit and French heads destroyed/led around by the nose, in Paris, in 1919, at THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES!

I wrote only ONE anecdotal bit about food/shops during WW I; the rest of what I posted was 100% facts.

Were there some places in America, where there was JEW HATRED and separations? Yes, there were, some of which lasted until the en of the 20th-early part of the 21rst century and some pockets alive and well to this very day. But NOT at the level of where it is right now by a long shot!

And now, we ( ME ), have REALLY gotten into the weeds at mighty degree and probably bored those still on this thread, who don't care. So IF you would like to continue this discussion, we should really take it to FRmail.

38 posted on 04/29/2024 7:20:52 PM PDT by nopardons
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