Posted on 04/20/2024 11:01:17 AM PDT by BEJ
The establishment Republicans are sustaining the Ukrainian war till after the election. They are doing so to support Joe Biden getting elected. If they followed common sense, they would realize that throwing money at Ukraine will do noting to win the war. The war is already lost for Ukraine. What it will do is sustain the war till after the election of Joe Biden. Joe Biden can say he stayed the course, he was true to his word.
What these traitors have done:
1) Sided with Joe Biden instead of Donald Trump
2) Thrown away American money on a pipe dream
3) Continue to throw away American money after they realized it was a pipe dream
4) Help install and continue to support a traitor to the Ukrainian people who will destroy his nation rather than have peace talks.
It's the old story of corruption and betrayal by the greasy, sleaze artists like Johnson. Yes, He even looks greasy.
I don't know what Trump is thinking. But the party has already betrayed him.
LOL I've lived most of my life in big US cities. Large parts of them are far more squalid than anything I've ever seen in Ukraine or Poland. In fact, the most squalid parts of America most closely resemble most of Russia apart from the imperial cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg.
I don’t really see many of them as on the right. They are temporarily “with us” because they are entertained by President Trump. Some have even admitted that they’ve never voted in an election. Never voting, including for Trump, is certifiable fringe nutbaggery.
No, I don’t believe that. His wife is a very rich woman, but I don’t think money motivates him.
You said that they were highly motivated by the prospects of a Western lifestyle and I suggested that their motivation was due to the consequences of not fighting. At any rate, I would like to disassociate myself from press ganging these young men into their untimely deaths if these same people would rather let a few provinces choose separation than forfeit their personal futures. Maybe you feel well justified in insisting on their ultimate sacrifice from halfway around the world to satisfy some unknown principle or desire on your behalf.
And that is why Americans should be here in America fixing its own mess.
I hope that you are right and that Americans are catching on and that the days of sending our precious sons off to die for the sake of some insatiable billionaire globalists are coming to an end.
Disenfranchising those who defend with their own national border, language and culture against a genocidal foreign invasion is something Marxist Democrats do. Conservatives have always supported the natural rights of all peoples. There are some very confused folks these days on this issue. It’s sad see so many duped by such obvious Kremlin Bolshevik gaslighting.
The fact that the Dems are setting a fire in the kitchen here doesn’t mean allowing Putin to set fire to the garage is ok. In fact, fending off Putin is far easier than getting rid of the Democrats or Uniparty.
Yes, the offensive never materialized because there was no intent for an offensive. It’s just propagandist fear tactics, saying Russia wants to invade Europe. People don’t realize you have to build an army to do that, which the Russians had not done because they never did want an offensive. They are revving things up and putting the country on a military foothold now because of a planned offensive in Ukraine. There is a lot of hype and fear that is used by propagandists, or people and “experts” just get thing totally wrong.
Yes, the Slavs have been fighting each other for centuries, and this conflict is no different. Read Taras Bullba or watch the movie (not a great one) and you’ll see.
You are right in that Russia never saw its own culture in a positive light. They, too, admired the West and would import French, as a language of sophistication, to be spoken in the Russian Courts. It is sad. I also believe Putin wanted to get along with the west and have some kind of rapprochement. If you hear his interview with Tucker Carlson, he was thwarted a number of times by Bush and Clinton. Now I think he is very cynical and disillusioned by the West. I think the West thought it could carve up Russia (an excuse for a gas station?) as it has done with Ukraine. Putin didn’t see that the West actually wanted the war (Boris Johnson squashing the peace talks in Istanbul). Boris Johnson was there as a messenger to the Ukrainians to let the war go forward. So that and the push of NATO in Eastern Europe seems to have disillusioned Putin.
Actually, the provinces in question did choose to separate from the rest of the Ukraine in order to preserve their native language and culture. The USA has fought both for and against such separatist movements in the past depending upon largely unintelligible criteria and the same bloodthirsty idiots will cheer it on in either case if that’s what the TV says to do. They’re happy as long as the bombs are flying and some mother’s son is dying without comfort in some muddy hole. But hey, you are at least politically savvy.
Again pushing the big lie? The 2014 referenda in Donbas was for autonomy within Ukraine, not independence. Nor was independence needed to preserve the Russian language. Following the Minsk accords, Ukraine passed a law, twice, to grant Donbas autonomy. It is only Russian occupation that prevented it. As for the 2022 referenda, I will not even give them the time of day. Putting aside Luhansk and Donetsk, does anyone really believe that Zaporizhzia and Kherson, with 70% and 80% Ukrainian majorities respectfully, really voted to be annexed by Russia.
You have to remember that Putin and Russia are not like the old USSR. That was truly evil. If you listen to the interview with Putin and Tucker, Putin wanted to work with Bush and Clinton but got turned away. I think Putin was very disillusioned by that and that Boris Johnson squashed the peace talks in Istanbul. Boris was a messenger of the West to say to Ukraine to go forward with the war. I believe the West wanted to cut up Russia (remember “an excuse for a gas station”) like they did with Ukraine. They thought it would be an easy war and they would win. They believed their own propaganda of how weak and inferior Russia was. So the West got bitch-slapped and because they got EVERYTHING WRONG! Wrong tactics, wrong training methods, shortage of shells, shortage of weapons, shortage of trained men (not ones that were forced by press gangs), shortage of jests, shortage of missiles, etc. This colossal failure is a time of learning for the West. But will they?
Amen to that!
Zalensky has dirt on all these guys. So many have their fingers in Ukraine and fortunes to be had rebuilding it.
Precisely. They have repeatedly expressed their fervent desire through voting to preserve their religious beliefs, language, and culture. They were denied this basic human right. You’ve picked your team and now insist that they fight until their young men are more than decimated even to the point of forced conscription with no thought of the human or moral question. This is not a game. This isn’t our fight. The young men on both sides are as real as you and me. This isn’t some abstract argument or debate. Every dollar that we send now prolongs the very real suffering and death. As a rule, when someone wants to leave it’s best to allow it.
They are not trying to push communism, but they are trying to subjugate another country to Russian rule. That is bad enough.
It's not like Russia under the Czars was all that great, neither.
As far as who thought it would be an easy war to win, that appears to be Putin's folly. The "Biden" regime did nothing to impede it when war was imminent and was ready to write-off the whole country after a few days when they offered Zelensky a ride out. The West was as surprised as Putin by the tenacity of Ukrainian resistance and basically shamed into providing niggling support. And two years later and even after months of supply shortages the Ukrainians are still fighting well and forcing Russian advances to a crawl. The Russians attacked Terny for 4 months, lost 100+ armored vehicles and having exhausted reserves in that sector, the Ukrainians took 1.5 km back. Novomykhailivka is littered with the carcasses of 300+ Russian vehicles and thousands of Russian corpses.
As far as training goes, Western training assumes conditions for maneuver warfare, especially functioning air forces and capable combined arms, things of which neither side is capable. Using armor piecemeal against entrenched defenders behind minefields would have been a fool's game even in WWII. Everyone (including the Russians) expected fast movement reminiscent of WWII or the Gulf War, but both sides got the Somme instead. Shortages are simply failure stemming from lack of investment in productive capacity which will be slowly remedied, and the West (like Russia) has reached out to allies like SK for additional munitions. And Russia's conventional artillery advantage is less than it seems (even with the FABs) when I've watched a Ukrainian command center with 5 or 6 guys and several FPV drone posts with a similar number each slowly and methodically hunt down almost all the vehicles and men of a Russian company: they're too dispersed and hidden to be easily targeted by artillery.
Putin is not like Hitler. Yes we should oppose sending money to Ukraine.
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