Posted on 04/12/2024 3:33:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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The situation unfolded when Christina sent her boss a text message after finding out she was the “lowest paid in the whole team” despite having worked at the company the longest and being in one of the most senior roles.
The staff member said it didn’t matter who told her and asked if it was true.
“It absolutely does matter. This is not an appropriate topic of discussion for the workplace,” Elliot responded.
Askins slammed this response, telling his followers that it is completely legal to discuss pay with your colleagues and to “never let a company tell you otherwise.” “If a company’s trying to hide it, or be dodgy in any way, it’s almost certainly because they are clipping pay,” he said.
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Up to a point. But gauging productivity is not an exact science in many business environments. As a mid-level manager, it was my job to assess the productivity of my employees and to make the case to higher level managers as to what those employees should be paid.
Paying an employee too much is an error just as paying an employee too little is an error.
I think Jordan Peterson points out that women tend to be more "agreeable" and thus tend to tolerate lower pay than a similarly situated man. This tendency explains some of the gender pay gap.
Stop that nonsense, NY Post. This is about one employee and she’s a “she.”
I was told it was the old manager, he said he did the write up but not the compensation. I talked to HR and they told me it wasn't them, it was the old manager that did the compensation (i.e. the last guy I spoke to). One of them is lying. HR was salty about being asked.
Bottom line, I believe they looked at me and saw that I was in a different organization and decided to f*** me give the money to someone else (there is a common pot of money for raises) and there would be no consequences and that now nobody they are all ashamed to admit they did it. nobody will tell me why I didn't get even an average review which cost me a lot of money because they CAN'T tell me why.
Coworkers are not your friends. A few are true friends. Others may seem cordial and supportive (as these people did) but don't count on it.
I don't remember anyone saying that workers should be paid too much, or there isn't a limit. Just, that it isn't a good idea/sustainable, to pay more valuable less than lower valuable employees.
There was another email that an employee was told they were the no. 1 employee for two years, but they weren't going to be eligible for a raise, and they were in the lowest tier of there compensation for that role. Than the company was surprised the employee started phoning it in.
And if a valued employee finds out they are paid less than others, don't be angry at the fact they found out. The company screwed around and found out.
I actually think they should do it like the military. First everyone knows how much everyone makes. No problem. The advancement is based off a test at least in the junior to mid ranks. The rest is by a board. Very fair system. Companies should implement this. They’d be better off.
That is a complete myth! It's calculated solely by total income earned. It does not take into account different jobs, hours worked, etc.
Men tend to pursue more remunerative jobs than women, including dangerous/undesirable ones.
Often men put in longer hours as well. If a true apples to apples comparison were done, women probably out earn men.
There was a female speaker that did some kind of talk in 2007, and even by then, 17 years ago, female millennials were making more money than their male peers for the same jobs.
I'm not sure why Freepers are spreading this myth.
100% right. I had a co-worker who worked for a different manager but I thought was a friend. Asked him about a job with another company because he was plugged into the market. He told my boss I was looking for another job & the manager confronted me and I denied it. Manager said he believed the other employee and said they were cancelling my $10k training so I took the other employee into a networking closet and we had a coming to Jesus meeting. Ten minutes later, his manager called me into his office & asked me if I used foul language with the weasel which I denied. Valuable lesson on who & what you share with co-workers.
In my first full time job, the company had the attitude that everyone could be a project manager and thus needed salary information on everyone that could be working on a project including the local office boss. Every job since then nas had the traditional salary secrecy.
Why did you have the second meeting with him, when you knew he was a louse?
Back in the day, corporate Human Resources would send the “CONFIDENTIAL” annual salary increases to the branch manager where I worked.
Confidential as in sittrin on the fax machine in the printer room addressed to the person who was actually in the office the least.
We had great fun with that!
After he told my boss and my boss pulled my training and helped me make up my mind that I needed to find a different job.
Sorry. I read your reply incorrectly. I wanted him to know he was a piece of sh!t & I’d kick his @$$ if he ever did something like that again. I just made sure there were no witnesses & he still went to his boss & cried like a little b!tch.
An employee threatens to quit if she doesn’t get a raise. She is angry about how compensation happens. She whines about it to other employees.
Employees cannot run the business. Discord in the work force grows. Move her out and promote your best to her position.
If you are asked for a recommendation, say only moderately good things that won’t leave you open to a lawsuit. Answer the “would you rehire” question with comments about her abilities.
“Okay. Would you rather I discuss it with a labor lawyer?”
Hmmm, I think you are mischaracterizes what happened. The manager was the one whining, and gaslighting. It says nothing about the letter writer going to other employees.
Employees cannot run the business.
No, but what you are advocating kind of sounds like communism. Companies that won't pay for performance will be left in the dust. You can't be forced to work for one company all your life. You are talking about the new DEI companies. You aren't allowed to ask for a raise, because that would be unfair to some women. If a company doesn't believe in competition, they can expect failure.
Of course, but the fact remains that there is no “equity” in a free market. The company can pay anyone any amount it wishes whether or not it is “fair”. Don’t like it - leave.
The free market is the only true means of assessing the value of anything, including that of yourself as an employee.
Yes. The free market means an employee can ask for a raise, or go to another company.
“No, but what you are advocating kind of sounds like communism.”
No. Capitalism. The owner runs the business, not the employees. Trouble makers get canned. They are a cancer to the business. She is free to ask for more money and the boss is free to choose who he or she wants working at that business.
If I’m the boss and any employee comes to me and says, “if you don’t give me more money I’m going to find another job.” My response is, “have a great life.” Occasionally you will have an employee who can’t be replaced, but it is rare. I believe Cam Newton just experienced this scenario.
Do you think it is a myth that women tolerate lower pay than men?
If women DO tolerate less pay than men for the same work, then that certainly would contribute to a wage gap.
What factors do you believe offset this particular contribution to differential pay for men and women, such that there is no overall wage gap?
In the early days of computers I worked for a large company that had an employee hack into their HR system.
They printed out the full salary list and mailed it to random employees all over the company (from home addresses on the list).
Management went ballistic—it was fun to watch.
The hacker let them howl and scream for a couple of months looking for him—then quit and confessed in his exit interview.
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