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The Garden Thread - April, 2024
April 1, 2024 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 04/01/2024 6:23:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The MONTHLY Gardening Thread is a gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to/removed from our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a MONTH Ping List, but we DO post to the thread all throughout the month. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time!


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: food; garden; gardening; hobbies
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ah, thanks! I’d poked around on the web a bit and found a lot about allergies to mustard as a food, but very little about wild mustard pollen.

Good info. at that link. :-)

Anyway, yeah, my suspicion is confirmed - wifey may (may) want to go get tested if our insurance will cover it.


161 posted on 04/09/2024 9:18:07 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

Next question: :-)

Pro’s and cons of sterilizing soil / potting mix?

Would a long hot sunny day in a closed car be sufficient for quantities on the order of a 5 gallon bucket?


162 posted on 04/09/2024 9:21:09 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Worked on the 10 cu ft cart that the lawn mower can pull. One tire is holding air & the other is leaking a good bit. Yesterday, I sprayed the rims where the tires meet with WD40. This is a ‘trick’ my brother saw on YouTube for stopping leaks. He tried it on a tire going low at his farm & the tire is holding air .... I should be so lucky!

The trailer is going with me today to the new place & should speed up debris hauling - cut the trips in half at least. Since I now have a compressor, I can pump the tire up & deal with the leaky tire in a more permanent way when all that is going on slows down.

Everything here is now covered with yellow pine pollen this morning. I noticed yesterday it was starting to fall. This weekend, I will be back to mow (10 acres) & Clyde will be kicking up a major cloud of yellow pollen. It’s the time of year when I take an antihistamine before I mow so I am not one giant hive after mowing!


163 posted on 04/10/2024 5:34:26 AM PDT by Qiviut (If the genocide was unintentional, they would have pulled the poison vaccines, long ago.)
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To: Paul R.; All

If it’s commercially manufactured and purchased in a bag, it’s already sterile.

If this is dirt you’re digging out of the ground or re-using from one bed to another or in pots and you’re concerned about weed seeds and/or disease, or you have an area that has already caused you a crop failure, then here’s a good primer on how to sterilize soil:

https://morningchores.com/how-to-sterilize-soil/

I’ve never had this issue. Soil in my garden beds has been dug from our very ‘clean’ pasture (bottom soil; nothing has ever been grown on it other than grass for cattle) and amended with our own home-made (Mule & Steer manure and straw bedding) compost.

Just remember that sterilizing soil kills all the GOOD STUFF in there, too.

Has anyone else had this situation? If so, chime in! :)


164 posted on 04/10/2024 5:39:21 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: FRiends
I dug out my Oriole and Hummingbird feeders this morning to get them washed up and ready to go in the coming weeks. I will also be putting out nesting materials for the birds, too. Here are two nature-related books on feeding the Bees and the Monarch butterflies:


165 posted on 04/10/2024 10:34:20 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

Yes, my intent is to re-use some garden soil* and a concern is the killing of all the good stuff...

*My biggest problem is that squash and such seem to do well until just about the time fruits start to develop, then they weaken and produce poorly or not at all. Same for melons. I put Okra in the same spot last year and it thrived and produced way more than we could use. Peppers there did “ok” and eggplants so-so. Soil testing says nutrients and so on are good. Tomatoes generally do well.

I can’t afford to buy new soil for this much area / volume. I “can” apply Preen to kill weed seeds, as all plants are started in small containers with purchased soil and then transferred to the garden once a few inches high, or more. But diseases and harmful nematodes and such are my concern.

I’m still thinking an afternoon in a hot car would kill diseases and such, leaving me with something not too far from purchased soil?

Unfortunately, most of our property has hickory trees, plus a couple walnut trees. So, that soil has juglone in it, and I can’t use it in the garden. I cut down several intermediate (~ 4” trunk) walnut trees last summer whose foliage began 50-100 ft. away from the garden area, in hopes of reducing juglone in the garden area. (Leaching and leaves blowing in in the fall may be a problem, and on still summer days you could readily smell the stuff.) As tomatoes seem to do reasonably well, I SOMEWHAT doubt juglone in the garden is the problem, but I’m unsure on that score. In any event, the closer walnut trees are now gone, and the closest hickories are over 100 ft. away.

What a temperature of ~160 deg. for a few hours might do to juglone I have no idea, but juglone does gradually decay with time, of course.

Thanks!


166 posted on 04/10/2024 8:57:29 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

“My biggest problem is that squash and such seem to do well until just about the time fruits start to develop, then they weaken and produce poorly or not at all. Same for melons.”

Zuke & Cukes will benefit from a scoop (about a cup) of crushed eggshells and a scoop of Bone Meal in the planting hole. What you’re probably seeing with Zukes, Cukes and Melons is most likely a nutritional issue, versus your soil. Give it a try this season. I’ll bet you’ll have much better results. I give the crushed eggshells (Calcium) and Bone Meal to my Tomatoes and Peppers, too. You can buy liquid Calcium if you haven’t been saving eggshells all winter. :)


167 posted on 04/11/2024 6:06:47 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I put crushed eggshells out there, but not in that quantity. Plus some Super Phosphate to encourage blooms (although sufficient blooms don’t seem to be much of a problem anyway.) But I’ll give a shot at fruit formation time a try - maybe the Super Phosphate all gets taken up by the time the fruits are starting to form.

My Rural King store has bone meal, 3 lbs. for $7. But that won’t go far if you are recommending a cup for each plant?


168 posted on 04/11/2024 11:21:10 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I also have about 5 gallons of (wood ) ash.


169 posted on 04/11/2024 11:24:03 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Dear Santa,

I know it's only April, but so far this year, I've been good ... REALLY good, so I thought I'd give you a little hint. It won't fit in your sled, but with 8 mos lead time, I just know you can figure something out!

~Q


170 posted on 04/11/2024 11:47:42 AM PDT by Qiviut (If the genocide was unintentional, they would have pulled the poison vaccines, long ago.)
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To: Paul R.

You can go less with the bone meal. I’m just generous! I looked at my ‘scoop’ and it’s 3/4 cup at best.


171 posted on 04/11/2024 6:55:35 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Qiviut

LOL! Beau can’t live without his skid steer. His is a CAT. I say, TREAT YOURSELF! You’re going to need it to maintain all that you’ve bought into. :)


172 posted on 04/11/2024 6:57:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The birds ... the birds ....

Back door motion alarm was going off this morning. It covers an edge of the patio & the adjacent landscaping. Birds set it off when they forage that area. This morning I was thrilled to see an Eastern Towhee pair. He is so handsome with that black, rust/orange, white combo.

Another bird has been traipsing down my gutter guard just under the (slate) shingle edge until it gets to the main house where it starts pecking. When it flies off, it has very dark feathers, does not look like any of the woodpeckers around here although it flies somewhat like one. The pecking is slow & steady, not a rat-a-tat-tat. Yesterday, I was chasing it off all afternoon.

No fake snakes to be had at the Co-op or Walmart (I have had success with them before). I did get a green lizard at Walmart - head is snake-y looking & will be staring the bird in the eye at the end of the gutter guard. Next stop was the fishing lure department. A blog post on woodpeckers said the one thing that does work are these shiny discs that hang, sort of like wind chimes - most birds hate them. They are used on houses, porches, in gardens, etc. I didn’t have time to order anything so I got some shiny silver jig spinners & strung them together. Using my jewelry making tool set, I got a little hole in the end of a popsicle stick, attached my shiny rig & the stick is taped to the gutter. All before the first cup of coffee, too. Will it work? I guess I will find out.

All trees in danger of falling down last night during a storm with high wind advisories are still upright, but a windy weekend is in store. If they make it to next week, they’ll be cut down.


173 posted on 04/12/2024 5:10:26 AM PDT by Qiviut (If the genocide was unintentional, they would have pulled the poison vaccines, long ago.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I posted the usual links on our community Facebook page, should really post them here. Hummingbird and Oriole migration maps.

Oriole, you have to choose the 2024 map

https://maps.journeynorth.org/map/?year=2021&map=oriole-first-baltimore

Hummingbird

https://www.hummingbirdcentral.com/hummingbird-migration-spring-2024-map.htm?fbclid=IwAR3snW8QmDstAOjWRdDKtMJDGcnJtYExsCOOVll5-mAYccJhlNctseC3GTg_aem_AQPkDcEb7O0kL3Kx0Vu7DbT8v8teB4B99-1sHCbiRaa3cRNyuYEKrJiI2010-HAHM6FSbfz5_lw29fryvjXYn0to


174 posted on 04/12/2024 6:16:13 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I see. I’d read that too much bone meal can mess up other nutrients.


175 posted on 04/12/2024 6:37:49 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Dust in the Wind

That would make sense. (Trying to drag back up my old college chemistry classes!)

I wonder how rainwater (naturally soft) may react with glyphosate?

Other info.: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/glyphotech.html#:~:text=6-,Water,few%20days%20to%2091%20days.


176 posted on 04/12/2024 6:45:02 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Dust in the Wind

“I wonder how rainwater (naturally soft) may react with glyphosate?”

(My initial web search did not turn up much.)


177 posted on 04/12/2024 6:47:56 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.
Soft rain water and near neutral ph would be as near perfect as one could get. When I was farming we got good results with even our very hard water. Just don't forget the surfactant (soap). We used Amway SA8 by the barrel. It doesn't take much, we used a pint per 300 gal so a tablespoon in a hand sprayer is plenty. It helps the chemical stick to the leaves and cuts through their waxy coating. Put it in last so as not to get a lot of foam.

I am not a soil scientist, just a forgetful retired farmer so treat the free advice for what it's worth.

WATER HARDNESS AND pH IN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF GLYPHOSATE FORMULATIONS

178 posted on 04/12/2024 7:54:50 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind (Vote anyway)
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To: Paul R.; All
Too much of a good thing is sometimes too much. Except for good chocolate. Good chocolate is always the exception to ANY rule. ;)


179 posted on 04/12/2024 8:23:07 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Qiviut

180 posted on 04/12/2024 8:24:44 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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