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We’ve Reached The Tipping With Trump
Issues & Insights ^ | 23 Feb, 2024 | I & I Editorial Board

Posted on 02/23/2024 8:04:18 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: budj

It is completely obvious that the intelligence community and the Demonrats ruin the country.

You spelled RUIN wrong.


21 posted on 02/23/2024 8:33:25 AM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: PIF

That would not surprise me in the least. I remember Rush just a few years before he passed away predicting the left wanting to ditch elections.


22 posted on 02/23/2024 8:34:03 AM PST by MachIV
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To: MtnClimber

Would these people, and others, please stop calling President Trump a conservative.
He is an American.
Just like us.


23 posted on 02/23/2024 8:36:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: MachIV
In fact, they've already said as such:

Headline for NY Times guest essay changed after originally claiming 'Elections are bad for democracy'

"In The Atlantic article, titled "Americans vote too much," staff writer Jerusalem Demsas argued that there are too many elections in the United States and citizens can’t keep up with civic responsibility to vote in each one.

The Times guest essay proposed getting rid of voting altogether. Grant wrote, "On the eve of the first debate of the 2024 presidential race, trust in government is rivaling historic lows. Officials have been working hard to safeguard elections and assure citizens of their integrity. But if we want public office to have integrity, we might be better off eliminating elections altogether.""

24 posted on 02/23/2024 8:41:13 AM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: MtnClimber

“ we’d rather all these old timers — Trump, Biden, Hillary, Bernie, McConnell, etc. — would step aside and let the next generation of leaders get time in the sun. ”

You mean goons like Newsome?
Nope.
Trump ‘24


25 posted on 02/23/2024 8:46:16 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: MtnClimber

What about the house which is a majority? Why only McConnell responsible? He’s in the minority in the senate!


26 posted on 02/23/2024 8:46:20 AM PST by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: frnewsjunkie
One good strong man, but even he needs the strong support of the masses. Without it he will be overrun as he is currently being overrun. Yes, it is treason, and I have stated that many times over. As the old saying goes wealth & power corrupt, absolutely power corrupts absolutely. They desire that absolutism now to cement their everlasting power for their families.

Sadly, many "conservatives" that visit this board seem oblivious to the obvious. You are not one of them. 🙂 👍

27 posted on 02/23/2024 8:55:08 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: MtnClimber
What’s been happening since has been a public display of the left’s new, scorched-earth strategy for dealing with the political opposition.

Courtesy of the America-hating Marxist, Obama.

28 posted on 02/23/2024 8:56:23 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (To solve the Democrat problem, the RINO problem must first be solved.)
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To: MtnClimber
What was that meme where Trump was saying "they are actually after you, I am just in the way"? Fact.

Trump was the darling of everyone, liberal and Conservative as long as he just gave them money. They were even willing to toss him a treat every now and then. But he decided that he wanted a seat at the table. And that table was reserved for people in the "club". Career politicians who had never had an honest job in their life.

That is what this is about. How dare we think that we should actively seek to be in the club? We are the supporting cast at best. Stepnfetchits. Peasants.

You notice how the vitriol in the past few decades is reserved for people who actually had an honest job before going into politics? How dare we.

29 posted on 02/23/2024 9:03:22 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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To: MtnClimber

“What she should have said is: “if they are different from Donald Trump and his political views.” “

Brilliant.


30 posted on 02/23/2024 9:08:35 AM PST by edwinland
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To: MtnClimber

If Trump does not win, we don’t make it.

If Trump does win, we still might not make it.


31 posted on 02/23/2024 9:16:20 AM PST by PMAS (Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
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To: MtnClimber

Don’t tell Hochul, Biden, or the RINOS and Democrats about Directive 10-289. They’d all be for it.


32 posted on 02/23/2024 9:27:17 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: MtnClimber

NY State GOP is a bunch of spineless, uniparty cucks, who have resigned themselves to permanent minority status

If they had any spine whatsoever, they could be scoring political points from this, but they are not.


33 posted on 02/23/2024 9:27:55 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Karoo

Trump is an imperfect vessel, but he’s all we have.


34 posted on 02/23/2024 9:28:35 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: NorthMountain

Tar and feathers.


35 posted on 02/23/2024 9:29:41 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: MtnClimber

This misses the point that it isn’t just the left complicit in the attacks on Trump. The Republican establishment is just as guilty.


36 posted on 02/23/2024 9:30:49 AM PST by Kazan
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To: MtnClimber
He failed to get the border wall built, for example.

But we had 100 billion plus for the Ukraine's border...

37 posted on 02/23/2024 9:33:15 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: MtnClimber
Was the $355 million fine against Donald Trump, for a “crime” that even the judge issuing the ruling admitted hurt no one, a bridge too far?

I believe the fine against President Trump is illegal under New York state finance law.

Bear with my on this long post as I weave through the law that was used against Trump.

I'll start by posting the exact law in question:

SECTION 63 General duties

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term "repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

I bolded what I believe is the relevant phrases to this debate around this case.

  1. As I understand it, this law is a consumer protection law intended to protect the people from predatory scammers (e.g., phone scams, "found money" scams, IRS scams, computer lockout scams, false warranty scams, false billings scams, etc.). It was never intended to be interpreted to apply to negotiations between two business entities.

    That is why there is language about "in the name of the people," "restitution and damages," "award the relief," "schemes, deceptions, false representations," and most importantly " repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person." This would clearly indicate that the law was targeted to phone bank operations, door-to-door scammers, etc., who run the same scheme on person after person after person.

    We used to call them "flimflam artists."

  2. Regarding its application to the Trump businesses and his bankers, the law refers to "restitution and damages." Obviously, one would have to identify the damages, and determine who are the damaged parties to get restitution.

    For this law to apply to Trump, the meaning of the law would have to be turned upside-down: Trump becomes the predator, the banks become the scammed, and there has to be a pattern of repeated schemes to damage multiple banks via fraudulent misrepresentations. In order to accomplish this, it would have to be proven that:

    1. Trump was performing a "scheme" on the banks and was not following accepted business practices relevant to the industry or business sector.

    2. The banks were, in fact, scammed into losing money.

    3. The banks can identify the amount of damage and can be made whole via restitution.

  3. Regarding "directing restitution and damages," the law references all monies "shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law." Let's take a look at the referenced section.

    11. (a) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary and except as provided by paragraph (b) of this subdivision, no state agency or a state official or employee acting in their official capacity, may pay out or otherwise disburse funds obtained as the result of a judgment, stipulation, decree, agreement to settle, assurance of discontinuance, or other legal instrument resolving any claim or cause of action, whether filed or unfiled, actual or potential, and whether arising under common law, equity, or any provision of law, except pursuant to an appropriation. Such funds shall not be retained by any state official, employee, or agency in any fund held in the sole custody of a state agency for a period of more than thirty days but shall, consistent with section seven of article seven of the state constitution be deposited in the state treasury, or fund under its management as may be directed by statute or as otherwise directed by the comptroller with the concurrence of the director of the budget.

    (b) Paragraph (a) of this subdivision shall not apply to (1) moneys to be distributed to the federal government, to a local government, or to any holder of a bond or other debt instrument issued by the state, any public authority, or any public benefit corporation; (2) moneys to be distributed solely or exclusively as a payment of damages or restitution to individuals or entities that were specifically injured or harmed by the defendant's or settling party's conduct and that are identified in, or can be identified by the terms of, the relevant judgment, agreement to settle, assurance of discontinuance, or relevant instrument resolving the claim or cause of action;

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    As a consumer protection law, paragraph (b) of subdivision eleven of section four requires that the judgement against Trump must be distributed as "payment of damages or restitution to individuals or entities that were specifically injured or harmed" as stated in 63(12) above. Who are these people? Has Letitia James identified who receives the restitution from the $350 million judgement?

    If James cannot identify the recipients of the judgement, it is because the law was misapplied and twisted into unrecognizability. I would argue that the fine of $350 million violates New York state law because subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law prohibits the Attorney General from using this money for any other purpose than as restitution as a result of this judgement.

-PJ

38 posted on 02/23/2024 9:35:35 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
But he decided that he wanted a seat at the table. And that table was reserved for people in the "club". Career politicians who had never had an honest job in their life.

Hochul became politically active during her college years at Syracuse University, leading a boycott of the student bookstore over high prices and an unsuccessful effort to name the university stadium after alumnus Ernie Davis, a star running back who died of cancer before he could join the National Football League.

Hochul successfully lobbied the university to divest from apartheid South Africa. In the spring of 1979, the student newspaper The Daily Orange awarded her an "A", citing the campus changes as evidence for the grade.

She received a Bachelor of Arts with a major in political science from the Maxwell School of Syracuse University in 1980 and a Juris Doctor from the Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law in Washington, D.C., in 1984.

After graduation from law school, Hochul began working for a Washington, D.C., law firm, but she found the work unsatisfying.

She then worked as legal counsel and legislative assistant to U.S. Representative John LaFalce and U.S. Senator Daniel Moynihan, and also for the New York State Assembly, before seeking elected office.

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As you wrote - a useless POS who never had an honest job in her greasy little tax-tick life.

39 posted on 02/23/2024 9:41:03 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: VTenigma

they are both accurate


40 posted on 02/23/2024 9:41:08 AM PST by joshua c
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