Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Abortion Biz Opens That Will Kill Babies Up to 34 Weeks
Life News ^ | February 17, 2024 | Monica Snyder

Posted on 02/17/2024 9:48:49 AM PST by Morgana

The New Yorker article “A Safe Haven For Late Abortions” combines the photography of Maggie Shannon with the writing of Margaret Talbot to give a closer look at the abortions performed at Partners in Abortion Care, an all trimester clinic in College Park, Maryland.

(There is no need for a graphic image warning for this article. The photographs focus on the patients and providers, and do not include depictions of the fetuses who are aborted.)

Talbot explains that Morgan Nuzzo (nurse-midwife) and Diane Horvath (OBGYN) had long wanted to open an abortion clinic that performs abortions at all trimesters of pregnancy. They co-founded Partners in Abortion Care, which provides abortions up until 34 weeks. A typical pregnancy lasts about 40 weeks, so 34 weeks is between 7.5 and 8 months into the pregnancy.

This New Yorker article serves as a succinct response to several common misperceptions many moderate pro-choicers have regarding later abortion. “Abortion ‘up until birth’ isn’t a thing.”

Pro-lifers claim abortion activists want abortion available “up until birth.” This statement is true in the sense that many abortion activists believe there should be no gestational limits on abortion, but more controversial in the sense that few pro-choice people are actually comfortable with or would morally accept abortions very late in pregnancy. Yes, they don’t want the government regulating abortion, but generally they don’t believe people seek abortions very late in pregnancy anyway. They think the “up until birth” argument is at best moot and at worst a bad faith red herring.

And yet:

Every week, potential clients have to be turned away because their pregnancies have advanced beyond the clinic’s cutoff of thirty-four weeks.

Margaret Talbot, A Safe Haven For Late Abortions, New Yorker

People do seek abortion very late in pregnancy, even past 34 weeks gestation.

Of course, 34 weeks gestation is not a full term pregnancy. Births before 37 weeks are considered preterm. It’s reasonable to hear “up until birth” as in “throughout the full 40 weeks of pregnancy.” This article does not suggest anyone seeking an abortion at 40 weeks (to my knowledge, no article does).

But it’s also reasonable to point out that abortions of viable fetuses — including fetuses into the third trimester — are legally sought, and do legally happen, specifically in the states with lax abortion laws. Abortion regulation (or lack thereof) matters. “Third trimester abortion is not happening. It’s called ‘having a baby.’”

There is a lot of debate over how the word “abortion” is defined (and by whom). One increasingly popular pro-choice assertion is that abortion means only “termination of pregnancy,” and does not have to entail fetal death. In this framing, a “third trimester abortion” is just termination of pregnancy via preterm delivery with the intent and result of a live newborn. (See tweet examples: “Third trimester abortions don’t exist. It’s called BIRTH.“)

This framing is incorrect. Abortion after viability is not preterm delivery of a live child. Abortion providers ensure fetal death prior to removing the fetus from the woman. They sometimes do so by transecting the umbilical cord, but more often by injecting poison into the fetal heart or amniotic fluid.

Abortion providers who perform later abortions have been frank about this aspect before, and the New Yorker article confirms the same:

“We induce demise,” Horvath, the ob-gyn, says. “This idea that people are delivering live fetuses—it just does not happen.”

Margaret Talbot, A Safe Haven For Late Abortions, New Yorker

“Later abortions happen because the woman’s life is in danger or the fetus has some kind of fatal anomaly.”

Probably the most common pro-choice misperception regarding later abortion is that these abortions are all or nearly all due to dire medical circumstances (either the woman’s life is in danger or the fetus has a fatal anomaly).

We know with certainty that later abortions are not all for medical emergencies. In fact, while there isn’t a great deal of quantifiable data on the subject, what evidence we can gather suggests that abortions after 21 weeks are usually not for fetal or maternal health concerns (see sources here).

The New Yorker article profiles such a case: a woman Talbot calls “Amanda” gets an abortion at 32 weeks because she didn’t realize she was pregnant until 30 weeks.

One woman Shannon photographed, a thirty-six-year-old whom I’ll call Amanda, was seven months along when she came to the clinic. Several years earlier, Amanda had been given a diagnosis of polycystic ovary syndrome, and doctors had told her that the condition made it very unlikely that she could conceive without in-vitro fertilization. Because of the aftereffects of recent weight-loss surgery—nausea when she felt too full—she didn’t even consider that she might be pregnant until almost thirty weeks. When a home test came back positive, Amanda was floored.

Margaret Talbot, A Safe Haven For Late Abortions, New Yorker

The article goes on to explain it took Amanda two weeks to make all necessary arrangements to get to the clinic, indicating she aborted her child at 32 weeks. Note that if a child is delivered alive at 32 weeks, he or she has a 95% chance of surviving.

If you oppose gestational limits on abortion because you have believed (1) no one aborts viable fetuses, much less aborts into the third trimester, (2) “abortion” that late in pregnancy is just labor induction resulting in live birth, and/or (3) abortions late in pregnancy are only happening for the most dire of medical emergencies…

Please reconsider.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionclinic; prolife
No abortion clinic is safe

Not safe for the baby, the mother even the workers there.

1 posted on 02/17/2024 9:48:49 AM PST by Morgana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Way back in the 1980's the thing that sold me was the thought of a woman in an operating theater undergoing desperate measures to assure her that her 26 week old baby would survive, yet in the very next operating theater another doctor was conveniently removing a 26 week old baby from existence.   Up until that point I had been willing to just accept what any woman said because I thought I had no standing.   Reason and logic is a blessing to me.
2 posted on 02/17/2024 9:58:30 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Exactly, this stuff is just pure unadulterated evil!


3 posted on 02/17/2024 10:16:33 AM PST by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

The thing about a business, is it must grow, it must optimize. Making money...success...is the whole reason you start a business. This is the problem with making anything legal. Take suicide. Once it’s legal it will become a business with marketing and slick brochures and salesmen. Vulnerable people can be influenced to do things they would not, if left alone, ever even think of. An abortion business will hire marketing and Business school graduates and run ads.

I’ve noticed over the years, there have been several instances when a mother murdered her baby but was not prosecuted. I suspect that in those cases it was due to the delima of making it legal to kill a fetus, but not one that has recently left the womb. If you allow the one but prosecute the other, it certainly raises a few questions. Questions proponents don’t want to answer.


4 posted on 02/17/2024 10:19:22 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

Two things about that.

1. Abortion clinics have “worked themselves out of a job”. In other words they have killed so many babies there are not enough for them to kill any more. The Dems had to bring up illegals for them to have more babies to kill.

2. Kermit Gosnell was found guilty I just hope someone is found guilty for the 5 babies that were killed in DC.


5 posted on 02/17/2024 10:38:19 AM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

“We induce demise,”

I can’t wait till a serial killer on trial uses that defense.


6 posted on 02/17/2024 11:10:13 AM PST by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Mengele lives!


7 posted on 02/17/2024 11:25:11 AM PST by alstewartfan (Amy Barrett and John Roberts are enemies of America and it's Constitution. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

‘Questions proponents don’t want to answer.’

you should enter conversations on this topic on internet forum like Quora and Reddit, and engage with some of the commenters; in reality, proponents are only too happy to voice their comments and answers...

said comments are very eye opening; I was aware of the ‘men have no standing’ nonsense, and ‘our bodies, our rights’ bit, but I was not prepared for ‘our bodies are being leached of vital nutrients’ as a justification...

I get further into the conversations with these people because I don’t oppose abortion on religious grounds; if you mention religion as a basis you are immediately subject to dismissal and scorn...I oppose abortion on the ethical truth that it is murder, and murder should not be condoned in a civilized world, but through further commentary with them I also learned that a fetus is in fact not human, but only ‘potentially’ human...and protection cannot be based on ‘potentiality’ but actual ‘viability’ that is, when the baby can breathe on its own...when I pointed out the absurdity of these positions, I was finally hit with the dismissal and scorn, and meaningful context was dead in the water...


8 posted on 02/17/2024 12:18:47 PM PST by IrishBrigade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
an all trimester clinic in College Park, Maryland.

College Park is the location of the University of Maryland, with an enrollement of around 40,000 students and many, many faculty and staff; presumably more than half of these are women. Many are still adolescents. It's like building a bar directly across from a Baptist church.

9 posted on 02/17/2024 8:07:11 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Killing babies already born normally has already been mooted among "ethicists" in academia. Expect the next step to be allowing infanticide up to some arbitrary (and later negotiable) time limit.

Also see my tag line.

10 posted on 02/18/2024 6:55:16 AM PST by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson