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Dr Strangelove at 60: is this still the greatest big-screen satire?
The Guardian ^ | 01/29/2024 | Scott Tobias

Posted on 01/29/2024 11:02:04 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

Stanley Kubrick’s sharp and persuasive comedy about nuclear war remains a hilarious act of provocation

Sixty years ago, Columbia Pictures released the first of two black-and-white movies with the exact same premise: what if American planes with hydrogen bombs were inadvertently ordered to drop their payload on targets in the Soviet Union, potentially triggering an all-out nuclear war that wipe out humanity? The Cuban missile crisis had pushed the superpowers to the brink of conflict less than two years earlier, and film-makers were unusually eager to face their cold war nightmares head on.

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On balance, Kubrick’s message is more persuasive. Dr Strangelove remains the greatest of movie satires for a host of reasons, not least that it hews so closely to the real-life absurdities of the cold war, with two saber-rattling superpowers escalating an arms race that could only end in mutual annihilation. There’s absolutely no question, for example, that the top military and political brass have gamed out the catastrophic loss of life in a nuclear conflict, just as they do in the war room here. Perhaps they would even nod sagely at the distinction between 20 million people dead v 150 million people dead. All Kubrick and his co-writers, Terry Southern and Peter George, have to add is a wry punchline: “I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed.”

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To: P.O.E.

“screen name”

Well done.


101 posted on 01/29/2024 3:21:02 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Wilderness Conservative
The Godfather is the ultimate guy flick. That whole script is quotable.

And may their first child be a masculine child.--Luca Brasi
102 posted on 01/29/2024 3:50:03 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: z3n
The movie 2001 was based on a novel by Arthur C. Clarke that was faithful to the physics and technology of space flight, but with a traditional humanities issue as it dramatic core. If lying is bad, then what happens when a super intelligent, self-conscious computer is required to lie?

In the case of HAL in 2001, the computer goes crazy, treating its human companions as dispensable for the sake of its secret mission directive. The Alien series of movies had a similar premise, with each one of them showing the effects of lies leading to death and catastrophe in space.

As for the boring bits in 2001, the stark and dangerous environment of interplanetary space is shown to be like flying in consisting of long boring periods interrupted by moments of tension and terror. For the astronaut outside of the spacecraft in 2001, his breathing is increasingly labored as he returns to his spacecraft, is denied normal entry by HAL, and then must risk his life by blowing a hatch and re-entering without a helmet on his space suit.

Space flight experts and physicists raved about 2001 when it came out for getting the physics and technology correct. That helped create a model. Watch an episode of the Smithsonian TV series Air Disasters for comparison. A routine, boring airline flight suddenly goes wrong, with investigators then piecing together how a combination of technical failure and human error led to a crash.

In sum, the movie 2001 is accurate in ways that transcended prior science fiction. The closest similar major movie is The Martian, which got the physics and technology right, but with a larger cast and other issues for the sake of dramatic tension.

103 posted on 01/29/2024 4:21:02 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment
I read a biography of Curtis Lemay. My impression is that he was a thoughtful, high intelligent, and practical man, and certainly wasn't the bloodthirsty, salivating, Neanderthal monster the Leftists gleefully made him out to be.

He was the architect of the firebombing raids on Japan in WWII, something I am wholly in support of, and when he made the decision to lower the altitude on the bombing raids from 25-30,000 feet down to about 8,000 feet, he very nearly caused a mutiny.

They were losing many planes, and not hitting any targets, which meant going back over and over again, losing more planes, and still not hitting any targets (much of it was due to the jet stream in the Stratosphere, something we didn't know about until we tried to fly to Japan, and they found they were doing 200 mph faster going one way, and battling headwinds the other way.

Anyway, it worked. I don't relish the fact that we did that to Japan, but that was war. And you hear all these people saying Japan was close to surrender, putting out feelers (which they were) but there was little possibility they were going to surrender, as much as some like to think so.

104 posted on 01/29/2024 5:02:03 PM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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To: Captain Peter Blood
I saw that film when it came out and I was 9, saw Fail Safe also, probably did not understand all the complexities but I liked the films and appreciate them more now as an adult, Fail Safe is the really serious film that I watch again and find it even more scary and compelling than when it came out.

And the story where Abraham sacrifices Issac... That sets this film apart.

105 posted on 01/29/2024 5:11:48 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Ge0ffrey

The only thing exciting about Space, is fiction written about it.

Get back to me when we actually put human beings on somewhere that has life. If not, why put out the effort and money?


106 posted on 01/29/2024 6:44:38 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

My take on it also.


107 posted on 01/29/2024 6:47:07 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: higgmeister
So sad that idiots still walk among us.

Astronaut Whistleblower Gus Grissom’s wife and son think they killed her husband/father. They think they’re evil, not idiots.
108 posted on 01/29/2024 7:07:48 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Astronaut Whistleblower Gus Grissom’s wife and son think they killed her husband/father. They think they’re evil, not idiots.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.   Beyond that, a subjective notion of a paranoid delusion is not whistleblowing.

Nobody would want to kill him just because he might have inadvertently blown the hatch on his Liberty Bell 7 capsule allowing it to sink into the ocean.

Analysis years later has indicated a static discharge arc, witnessed by the Marine in the recovery helicopter as he touched the capsule's whip antenna, caused the hatch bolts to detonated prematurely.

109 posted on 01/30/2024 1:06:00 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: OldMissileer

Hahahahaha...I have always found it amusing that certain movies, no matter how corny, improbable, or just silly seem to become totems of some kind for people in and around the military!

To be sure, I don’t view “Dr. Strangelove” as that kind of movie, because it is serious, focused satire that is brilliantly done.


110 posted on 01/30/2024 4:01:22 AM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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To: bravo whiskey

Try the 1986 film “When the wind Blows”.


111 posted on 01/30/2024 5:06:34 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democrat it beats thinking!)
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To: MalPearce

The Protect and Survive films, featured in “Threads” were the creepiest of all, just that music at the end gave me the willies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U


112 posted on 01/30/2024 5:40:43 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: higgmeister

That’s not what Grissom blew the whistle on.


113 posted on 01/30/2024 6:05:08 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: bravo whiskey

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114 posted on 01/30/2024 6:43:35 AM PST by USAF1985 (Joe McCarthy is a hero...he was absolutely, 100% correct! (Let’s go Brandon!))
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To: Responsibility2nd

2001 makes much sense if you read the book first.


115 posted on 01/31/2024 6:19:55 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again.)
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