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Posted on 01/29/2024 8:51:48 AM PST by Red Badger
Oh, wait, I see what you’re saying. It’s a typo...............
The other elephant in the room is that they'll be moving from a 6-pound rifle to a 9-pound rifle, more, of course, with the high-tech optics the military has become so fond of (and for reason). That's difficult to avoid if you're after terminal energy with reasonable recoil. But that's three (or whatever it actually turns out to be) more pounds of rifle that translates to three less pounds of other gear.
As a side note, I wish commentators would lose the silly affectation of worrying about a battle rifle penetrating too much drywall to keep the babies in the next room safe. This thing was designed to penetrate level 4 body armor at range, f'Petessake. Give it up.
We can’t all run around with 50 caliber in our cars and trucks................yet....................
For later.
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The prices are too high, but will go higher, mostly due to democrats.
BLOAT = Buy Lots of Ammo Today!
Finally they come up with something which has a distinct advantage over the old 556/M4.
Many of the suggestions in the past would have cost a lot to implement but not afforded and true advantage.
This new cartridge and rifle combo does provide an advantage.
Specifically, body armor. Everyone has it today. Heck, 21 years ago in Iraq ~ 1/4 of all the Iraqi troops had it. Today if you look at Ukraine, practically every Ukrainian and Russian have advanced hard plate armor...
The old 556 was great in a world where people had no or at most soft body armor. It’s time is already past!
Next, we need to replace our 9mm. While it might be a bridge to far to expect a short barrel, small cartridge to punch through ceramics and uhmwpe, at least we should address the soft armor which can be defeated with smaller, higher velocity, better shaped, and hard/laminated type penetrating bullets, say something like FNs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
The proliferation of more advanced body armor has changed everything.
The 6.8 SPC was fun to shoot when Federal XM68GD was plentiful and reasonably priced. The Fury is clearly superior, but it’s also not an “AR-15” cartridge like the SPC, so not really comparable. It requires a larger chamber weapon like the AR-10, where it has other competition like the 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Not really, Sight in at 50 or 100 yards wont change noticeably at all, drop at 300 yards and beyond is different but predictable
... the recoil is vastly different,...
Why? its still a buffered system. Do you feel any significant difference between a lower velocity .223 at say 2400 ft/s and an M193 5.56 round at 3200 ft/s? I can tell but it doesnt affect how I shoot.
and the training received with the lower recoil .277 all brass ammo will be less useful and meaningful when it comes time to use the full power .277 composite cased ammo in battle.
I disagree, but thats my opinion.
As a result, the .277 Fury will end up being a specialist weapon ...
This may be true. If not, its just going to cost us taxpayers a whole lot more for the expensive ammo. With the proliferation of body armor, is it worth it? It may be if thats what it takes to be more effective on the battlefield.
We wouldn’t have to worry about that if we’d just go back to the practice of gun bearers. I would insist.
Why is this better than .308/7.62 nato?
Longer range and the weapon looks really scary to liberals...................
These new cars all have sunroofs for some reason..............
7.62 nato was the issued round in the m14 when i served in the navy 1970’s. Stout recoil., never fired one at a human target. I can tell you, it drops a whitetail on the spot. I have a hard time giving up on that 30 caliber round.
Question: What is the need to change a basic battlefield weapon and ammunition? Have combat veterans been consulted?
Or is this another proposal from the military support industry to make millions of dollars profit re-tooling a large Army, Navy, Marine force?
I read the article. Recoil is in the 20 ft lb range. Same as 150 gr. 308.
And yeah, my go to whitetail round is .308. It did the job then and still does the job now.
Remington really screwed the pooch on 6.8. Ballistics will never match any round with damn near a third more powder. With more powder you get more recoil. I’ts just physics.
People have been trying forever, in ammo, to overcome physics. You can’t. Maybe,,,Maybe,,these new rifles will have some type of buffer that will take some of the recoil out. Just like have been done for years with...well pretty much any gun. Like gas systems in shotguns? Recoil reducers in the stock? How about they’re ported? Or add a 2 lb supressor to reduce the noise? Or Heavier weapons? Yeah. Lets make our soldiers go back to carrying 12 lb rifles. Which is why they got away from M14s.....Just damn.
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